Difference between Shinobi and Ninja?
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Tgace
Grandmaster
According to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja
[Ninja is an on'yomi (Early Middle Chinese-influenced) reading of the two kanji "忍者". In the native kun'yomi kanji reading, it is pronounced shinobi, a shortened form of the transcription shinobi-no-mono (忍の者. These two systems of pronouncing kanji create words (ninja/ninsha or shinobi-no-mono) with similar meanings.[9]
The word shinobi appears in the written record as far back as the late 8th century in poems in the Man'yōshū.[10][11] The underlying connotation of shinobi (忍) means "to steal away" and — by extension — "to forbear", hence its association with stealth and invisibility. Mono (者) means "a person". It also relates to the term shinobu, which means to hide.
Historically, the word ninja was not in common use, and a variety of regional colloquialisms evolved to describe what would later be dubbed ninja. Along with shinobi, some examples include monomi ("one who sees"), nokizaru ("macaque on the roof"), rappa ("ruffian"), kusa ("grass") and Iga-mono ("one from Iga").[7] In historical documents, shinobi is almost always used.
Al Xhong Rinpoche
White Belt
A Shinobi-A Mono is a Shinobi trained warrior. In the feudal area. He is trained to endure and be of the stealthiest movements. When One of this soldiers is sent to assasinate he is "the one nominated to kill a target" which means "ninja". It is the name of a soldier nominated for an assassination mission within the Shinobi A- mono
Chris Parker
Grandmaster
Both of you, just… no. The answer is, simply, as Tgace said 3 and a half years ago, that it's two different pronunciations for the same term… there is no difference, other than preference depending on the period and person.
No. For one thing, that doesn't even make sense. For another, the term is "shinobi no mono", not "shinobi a mono"… you're also going to have to be far more particular about what you mean by "feudal era"… Muromachi Jidai? Sengoku Jidai? Ashikaga Jidai? Tokugawa Jidai?
Huh?
No, it absolutely does not mean anything of the kind. There is nothing about killing, a target, or anything else in the term.
There is no record or indication of any shinobi/ninja being linked to any assassination at all, other than one or two folktales or similarly fanciful (and historically baseless) stories.
No. While there is a term that is often used to apply to female ninja (kunoichi), there is no specific "male" designation… so, no.
This isn't even the difference between saying someone is a Marine, and saying they're a soldier… it's the difference between saying someone is a Marine, and saying they were in the Marines.
No. For one thing, that doesn't even make sense. For another, the term is "shinobi no mono", not "shinobi a mono"… you're also going to have to be far more particular about what you mean by "feudal era"… Muromachi Jidai? Sengoku Jidai? Ashikaga Jidai? Tokugawa Jidai?
Huh?
No, it absolutely does not mean anything of the kind. There is nothing about killing, a target, or anything else in the term.
There is no record or indication of any shinobi/ninja being linked to any assassination at all, other than one or two folktales or similarly fanciful (and historically baseless) stories.
No. While there is a term that is often used to apply to female ninja (kunoichi), there is no specific "male" designation… so, no.
This isn't even the difference between saying someone is a Marine, and saying they're a soldier… it's the difference between saying someone is a Marine, and saying they were in the Marines.
I find this interesting, Chris, can you suggest any reading up about female ninjas? cheers!
ryu hyabusa
White Belt
None of these are the correct definition. To be shinobi is something you can not find on the internet . it exist only in your soul. It makes me extremely proud and disgusted at the same time to see people that can't possibly understand the definition to comment on the subject. Its a literal hypocrisy seeing as no shinobi would ever admit or aknowledge this fact. This shows that people have zero comprehension or the term. Hence " to conceal oneself" . people are not very bright!!!
pgsmith
Master of Arts
Wait a minute ... I thought a Ninja was a motorcycle? If it isn't, then I need to rethink my friend's stories about what fun it was riding a ninja!
JR 137
Grandmaster
Sounds pretty suspect to me. If they rode a katana, I’d have interesting questions too.Wait a minute ... I thought a Ninja was a motorcycle? If it isn't, then I need to rethink my friend's stories about what fun it was riding a ninja!
TSDTexan
Master of Arts
What if they rode a hurricane?Sounds pretty suspect to me. If they rode a katana, I’d have interesting questions too.
JR 137
Grandmaster
Would never happen in Japan. It would be a typhoon.
TSDTexan
Master of Arts
We don't know where PGsmith's friend rode the Ninja. Could have happened anywhere.
While riding a typhoon might be a thing specific to the waters of the Pacific.
we know the ninja fears the hurricane. Even in Japan.
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Hakkan Mordrake
White Belt
Ninja is just another way of saying "shinobi no mono." Period.
