Can Karate Stand a Chance Against Aikido?

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  1. Steve

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    You understand that cuts out pretty much everything. Right? Most styles. Even traditional styles, are less than hundred years old.
     
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    PhotonGuy Senior Master

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    Be that as they may they've got their roots in older styles that have been developed over hundreds, thousands of years.
     
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    You understand that every style has roots that are hundreds or thousands of years old. "Traditional" has nothing to do with originality or age. It's an aesthetic.
     
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    DonnieBravo Yellow Belt

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    I believe Karate has its own strong points, whereas, Aikido helps us get more aware of our bodies!!

    Bruce Lee was a martial artist! What style do you think he had?

    The article below refers to his own creation of a style known as 'Jeet Kune do'

    WHAT IS JEET KUNE DO? - Bruce Lee Foundation
     
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    DonnieBravo Yellow Belt

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    I personally am a fan of Karate and I'd like to think of it as an unbeatable sport! :D
     
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    TSDTexan Master of Arts

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    Here is a math equation to show how your comment made me feel:

    Sport + Karate =
    download (4).jpg

    Ps.
    I am not a "fan" of sport karate.

    Today's Te ain't got the same soul
    I like that old time Karate-do.

    Don't try to take me to a Sport show
    You'll never even get me out on the floor

    In ten minutes I'll be late for the door
    I like that old time Karate-do
    Ooh

    Still like that old time Karate-do
    That kind of kata just soothes the soul

    Ooh
    I reminisce about the days of old

    With that old time Karate-do
    Won't go to hear em play a tag-karate-oh

    I'd rather hear some iron shoes or Makiwara-oh

    There's only one sure way to get me to go
    Start practicing that old time Karate-do

    Call me a relic, call me what you will
    Say I'm old-fashioned, say I'm over the hill
    Today's sport karate ain't got the same soul
    I likeā€¦
     
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  7. JP3

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    20 years, Drop? I mean, I spent 5, but still. There are better careers out there.
     
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    Please post a video of someone using aikido in a real combat situation defeating anybody.
     
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    So if there's not a video online that means it's never happened? A real combat situation. So a fight? You do know most street fights aren't filmed right there's been billions of fights this year alone world wide and maybe a couple hundred make it online
     
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    That can go the opposite way too. Many styles began as effective combat systems only to atrophy over time into rigid and stale aproximations of themselves.

    Not to say there isn't combat effective versions of almost any traditional martial art, but many get passed from master to student over generations where no real combat is involved anymore, where many of the 'whys' and 'hows' of practical application are lost and forgotten.
     
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    You are hilarious. No, none of that. I'd just like to see one.

    Edit - street fight, open sparring in the gym, tournemant, mma. Anything really. I'm not an aikido hater, I am just honestly interested in seeing the real stuff.
     
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    Someone did in another thread.
    Aikido hate
     
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    How do you become a bouncer?

    Fail at everything else.



    I work in a bottleshop now.
     
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    Err, that seems to be an unskilled brawl with a half trip half hiptoss thing at the end. The little insert of the aikido guy wasn't even close to the same move.
     
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    OK.... but I don't know what a "bottle shop" is. A place that sells empty bottles? A liquor store? I admit, I've no idea.f
     
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    You didn't ask for a skilled brawl, you asked for a real combat situation. Which is what you got. Yes it was ugly, but that is the nature of real combat.

    You didn't ask for the same move, you asked for Aikido. Which is what you got.

    Clearly any evidence which presented you will find some reason as to why it isn't valid so that you don't have to accept it. Which suggests presenting evidence is pointless.
     
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    I fought a dragon once. Just because it wasn't on you tube are people going to say it didn't happen?
     
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    I sell liquor.

    I refer to myself as a beer wrangler.
     
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    So then in a real combat situation aikido people don't actually use aikido? Because that wasn't aikido. That was a poorly executed wrestling hip toss while the other guy stumbled over himself.

    Yes, I would accept evidence. It would look like a guy doing something recognisably aikido on an opponent that is fighting back.
     
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    What you're hoping to see won't be easy to see. If the other guy is fighting back against the technique, the principles that make Aikido look like Aikido won't be in use. And most Aikido techniques can be applied without that subset of principles. On top of that, Aikido in the dojo uses movements designed to work with the falls uke uses (to help protect uke) - the guy in the street won't use those falls, so the technique will finish differently. Thus, the result will often not "look like" Aikido, if you are comparing it to what Aikido looks like in the dojo.
     
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