Can Karate Stand a Chance Against Aikido?

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  1. Headhunter

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    Oh for god sake how much more of this nonsense is there going to be on this forum this week......a karate guy can beat an aikido guy and an aikido guy can beat a karate guy. It depends on the fighter and the circumstance. You don't see an aikido guy getting hit because it's rare to see a real aikido fight. Mostly it's all demos where the partner throws themselves to the floor when touched. That or Steven segal movies.
     
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  2. Headhunter

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    Hey don't forget the legend Steven segal best fighter in the world who taught Anderson silva and lyoto machida how to throw a front kick....that's sarcasm by the way lol
     
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  3. Kung Fu Wang

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    How can an Aikido guy be able to apply a "joint lock" on a TKD guy if that TKD guy just kicks and never throws a single punch?

     
  4. JowGaWolf

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    A jow ga guy can beat anyone. So all other arguments don't matter. I once beat up aikido, karate, judo, bjj, boxing, wrestling, fencing, ninjas, and a HEMA guy with a sword, and a TKD guy in less than 20 seconds. The TKD guy attacked me first so I grabbed his kick and swung him around and used his body to beat up the HEMA guy. The TKD guy got stuck on the HEMA Guy's sword so I used that to take out the HEMA guy. I then used the Sword to finish off the fencing guy. Right about that time the BJJ laid on his back and invited me to get on the ground and while I was about to beat up the BJJ guy the wrestler grabbed me from behind and I body slammed him on the BJJ guy. The others ran away so I guess you can say that I technically didn't fight all of them lol.

    Hopefuly this will clear up any question of who is the best. lol.
     
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  5. Jenna

    Jenna Senior Master

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    On a internet place like this -as you can see for your self- the answer to this question almost entirely depend up on who you ask :) Good luck
     
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  6. TSDTexan

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    Too many variables:

    Which type of karate?

    Which type of aikido?

    How good is the karateka at his/her style of karate?

    How good is the aikidoka at his or her style of aikido?

    Why are they fighting? What motivation is theirs?
    Is it:
    Money? Ego?
    A parking space?
    A bad haircut? Who gave the haircut?

    A family member being held hostage, and who could be killed if they don't fight?

    Was the fight on a Friday or Saturday night... or first thing Monday morning?

    I need more details then what you have presented.
     
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  7. Paul_D

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    Legs have joints too ;)
     
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  8. Touch Of Death

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    Then you whip out that Elephant Karate. :D
     
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  9. JP3

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    One way would be to, as TKD guy kicks lift-block the kicking leg/foot (sometimes hard to do, but not always), causing loss of balance, perhaps a fall. Often times when people fall who are not expecting to do so/untrained, their arms flail. If you are in the right area, you can latch on and as they hit the ground, attach lock.

    I know this, as I've done it, but not often as the kicker has to take an ugly side fall from what amounts to a split-stretch.

    Get offline, to the back side of a side kick or round kick anywhere above mid-thigh, hook/lift the foot (which can be a really dick move if the other guy isn't aware you're considering that fair game), he tilts, nearly always falls. If you do it explosively they always fall in my experience. Say they did it witht heir right foot, you hook with your right hand, lift, they fall. Even when trained the right hand is exposed for grasping/grappling at that point. You've just got to get the good grip, and execute your submission before they regain their snap/mental focus. Pretty much the same time frame you've got if you just got a good throw on someone and are sinking in the choke/lock/holddown while they are jarred from impact.
     
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    I just read what I wrote above, and that totally sounds like Goshin-jutsu from judo. Which it is, but there's one in aikido as well. Ours at least, since Tomiki was involved in th creation of that kata as I remember. I think that's right.

    So, maybe judo can beat a karate guy, but aikido can't. Jury is still out.
     
  11. KangTsai

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    If you're basing your knowledge of aikido of those hilarious drill demonstrations, then aiki-man will have his a s s beat.
     
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    I believe that if both are beginners, the Karate guy would win. If very advanced, probably the Aikido guy, but I'm not sure.
     
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    It depends on the person not the art. That's been said time and time again and is well known among the experts but since you're a novice as you point out yourself I will explain. The videos you've seen might've been those of a really good Aikido practitioner up against a so so Taekwondo practitioner. If it was the other way around where you've got a really good Taekwondo practitioner up against a so so Aikido practitioner than the Taekwondo practitioner would win.
     
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    That sounds like a challenge. A kick - catch to anklelock sounds good.
     
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    So an art i have just invented is as good as an art someone else has actually put some effort into.

    That doesn't make sense.
     
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  16. PhotonGuy

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    That would depend. What is your experience prior to inventing your art? What prior style or styles is your art based on?
     
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    I spent 20 years bashing dudes in pubs. It is not based on any prior styles though.
     
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    I guess you are kind of assuming the same rules as seen in the video. Then one could make the argument that arms were off limits. But as Paul_D pointed out, legs have joints too, and also pressure points. Even if you have rules that limit you to kicks only, a kick to the inside of the thigh of the leg an opponent is throwing at you will essentially cripple that leg, making it difficult to stand (unless of course he has been watching that training film, "The Karate Kid." ;-)

    But really, I would not agree to a fight against a TKD or Karate opponent where I could use only my kicks, and using kicks to pressure points would be off limits. To me that would be foolishness.
     
  19. PhotonGuy

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    I would not trust that. I would only trust a style that's been around for centuries or a style that's been developed from another style or styles that have been around for centuries.
     
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    Why does the style matter? What if you trained really hard in my style. Shouldn't that give you the same result?
     

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