I just haven't made the leap yet. I've seen some videos of actual schools, the students don't seem to be using any techniques. The videos I've seen are more just brawling and swinging. Didn't really notice any Judo throws in the actual school videos. Now I've seen throws used in the professionally produced videos. Currently I'm doing GJJ/BJJ and have minimal Krav work. I have two schools within a mile of my home. Kingi's and one of his Blacks belts McDuffy. I like McDuffy's school because they are more open minded to Ground work. When I talked to Kingi he didn't have the most open mind when it came to ground fighting. I think what's holding me back is the lack of techniques that I have seen. What say you all?