Discussion in 'Kenpo - (EPAK) Ed Parker's American Kenpo Karate S' started by trotter, Dec 17, 2004.
Does anyone know Mr. Rainey's linage?
Dave Hebler - Ron Chapél - ?
I lost touch many years ago with Asa before he made black when he left the state. You like to get in touch with him. A really good guy and great student.
Thank you sir.
I was one of Mr. Rainey's students in the Seattle area in the late 80's early 90's. He was an excellent teacher. We lost contact, and I have since moved to the southwest.
Mr. Rainey had said in conversation that he had received his subsequent BB rank(s) from other BB's. I was hoping to find who had this direct influence on his motion. He had said that he had been encouraged to seek other Kenpo instruction because of this very fact, ie. we look like our teachers. (When I lived in the Northwest any Kenpoist who saw my motion and had seen Mr. Rainey move always said "You're one of Asa Rainey's students aren't you.) Having traveled around and now living in the Southwest, I appreciate the motion now reflected in my techniques, and realize I am the product of a number of different BB's influence. And I'd really like to know who they are/were. I guess I'm trying to pay tribute to these men to whom I am indebted.
Thanks for the info. If anyone reading this can point me to someone who might know something concerning the above, I would appreciate it.
You should talk with Mr. Todd Durgan, he's a black belt of Mr. Rainey's and still keeps in touch with him. Mr. Rainey stops by our dojo from time to time.
I believe Mr. Durgan's screen name is SumDumGuy. I know he doesn't check this forum much due to his work load. Let me know if you don't hear anything back and I'll call him myself.
AC (as he was known back then) came in to my studio in Anchorage, Alaska around 1980. He introduced himself as a Kenpo black belt and was looking for a studio to work out in. I asked if he knew Mr. Parker and he said he did, so as we talked I picked up my phone and started to dial.
He looked at me like I was being a little rude, but kept the conversation going. Then I raised my hand, slightly, to indicate I needed a moment to talk to the person on the other end of the line, and said, "Hello Mr. Parker, Rich Hale. I have a guy in my office named AC Rainey and he says he is one of yours." Mr. Parker says, "Put him on the line!!!"
Now, AC is stumbling all over himself (in a fun way). He's saying Yes Mr. Parker, Yes sir, yes sir, yes, no sir, yes sir. The only complete sentences he got out was, No sir, I'll never be out of touch for so long again. Yes sir, I'll keep in touch and always let you know where I am and what I'm doing. Okay sir, yes sir, thank you.
Then Mr. Parker hung up and AC handed me back the phone. I kind of smiled and said, Well, I guess you really do know Mr. Parker don't you.
That evening AC walked out on our mat for the first time, as a guest, and from then on, as our head instructor. I received a black from AC about a year, or so, later. Then a couple years after that, when I was moving to California, I turned all our students over to AC and he opened a studio of his own.
Anyone who has ever worked out with AC, or even seen him move is more than impressed. To me - he's family.
Rich, did AC have a son, Michael? When I lived in AK in the early 90's I remembered a Michael Rainey that had a school in Anchorage. By the way, I just got in the mail the two mags of Mr Parker from eBay, sorry couldn't let that guy outbid ya.
Hey Rich, I really would like to get in touch with AC. Haven't seen him since he trained with me back before there was fire.
Michael Rainey is AC's kid brother, and he was trained to kill . . . I mean, taught the art of Kenpo by AC himself. I'll see what I can do about getting AC into the forum.Don't worry about the Ed Parker magazines, I never bid much on Ebay. I just bid and walk away. Every now and then I get something cool at a fair price.
I don't know if he had any biological sons, But after stumbling on this thread while researching Kempo, I found this. A good friend of mine, JD Rainey, is his stepson. His Mom married Asa when JD was 4. And yes, Asa taught him kempo. Funny thing, sparring with JD is what got me interested in Kenpo in the first place. He's got clean, quick, and POWERFUL moves. I think Asa's a truck driver now. JD's a break-dancer. Look him up under the name "Bboy Twixx".
Michael trained with me for a period as well.
I started training when I was 15 under Skip Hancock. Then I trained under AC Rainey in Anchorage when I was 15-17yrs old. He was a cop then and I believe he was on his 5th degree BB. From Skip I learned how Kenpo is a methodical, lethal science, from AC I learned how how Kenpo is volatile explosive! I remember countless nights watching him ravenously work human bodies like rag dolls.
He left his studio with Larry Carmicheal who runs it to this day.
It would be neat to catch up with him.
Hey, super thread necro, but Mr. Rainey was just awarded his 10'th Dan.
Ah the good old participation award ranks. No offence to any of these guys, but the belts you get presented with really don't mean much. It's basically your buddy giving you a belt. I've seen people come over and promote a guy to 6th Dan who he's never even met before let alone trained with. In my opinion you should have to test for every belt. Step up get on the floor and show your skills. If you're physically not able to or just don't want to then you don't get promoted simple. To many people especially in kenpo are getting promoted because they run a class 2 days a week or they ran a kids karate competition but their skills are awful. They can't remember techniques or even perform their forms and sets and yet they're wearing 8th 9th 10th degrees. It's an ego trip plain and simple. If these guys want that belt then step up and test for it. I will personally never accept a rank I haven't tested for. I have no interest in being given anything. Everything I've done I've worked hard for. I've seen people get higher than me without putting the work in. Doesn't bother me because I only want what I deserve. I don't care if I'm 90 years old if I want to be promoted I'll get out there and I'll do my Damm best and not expect it to be handed to me.
Long rant but honestly to me it's these kind of things that are soiling traditional martial arts. Not saying all 10th degree don't deserve it obviously some do. But sadly there's to many who simply don't. There's more 10th degrees now in kenpo than there ever when Parker was alive. Hous highest Dan was a 7th. After he died 10ths started popping up everywhere.
I'm sure this post will upset some people but it's my opinion and I stand by it. I have no issue with people getting higher Dan grades but they should step up and do a test for it. Otherwise really it's just a participation trophy
@Headhunter, Kempo/Kenpo is not my neck of the woods but from reading these posts and the numerous hits on Google it certainly does not sound like Mr. AC Rainey just taught the kids class at the corner gym. If rank is not your thing is not your thing that is cool. Just does not sound right when you rail on rank when the subject is someone who seems to deserve it. Remember the OP had nothing to do with rank, just trying to find the guy. It is not wise to frame All of any given style/system (insert name) into the same opinion. I have never seem the true regardless of the subject matter....
except for maybe politics.
Now my rant is over.
Just curious, what do you think would be an appropriate test for a 10th dan/degree/whatever? What would it look like? Would they actually fight anyone?
They perform the entire syllabus, every form every technique every set and yes absolutely they fight123
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