Are revolvers dying out?

Discussion in 'General Weapons Discussion' started by PhotonGuy, Jun 4, 2015.

  1. jks9199

    jks9199 Administrator Staff Member

    • LifeTime Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2006
    Messages:
    21,685
    Likes Received:
    2,025
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Northern VA
    Or, one Glock SafeAction system, if you wanna use their name for the 3 working together.

    I know some folks have concerns with no external safety on handguns. The biggest danger with the Glock SafeAction system is that if anything crosses that trigger, it can be enough to allow the trigger to move. If the trigger moves back far enough, the gun is gonna go BANG. There have been documented cases of trigger drawstrings and other stuff doing the job. You can reduce the risk with a heavier trigger spring assembly -- but it's still there.

    That said, I'd still like some actual documentation rather than "someone says so." And, if it were necessary, a manufacturer could easily incorporate a manual safety on a striker fired handgun... If it made the difference in getting the US military contracts and not... Yeah, I bet it'd be done in a New York minute.
     
  2. PhotonGuy

    PhotonGuy Senior Master

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2013
    Messages:
    3,487
    Likes Received:
    383
    Trophy Points:
    158
    This isn't the 70s.

    Technology changes with times and that includes firearm technology. It stands to reason that today they would be using semi autos as they're more advanced although if they are using revolvers good for them. Revolvers still do have their advantages.
     
  3. Dirty Dog

    Dirty Dog MT Senior Moderator Staff Member

    • LifeTime Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2009
    Messages:
    16,674
    Likes Received:
    3,964
    Trophy Points:
    308
    Location:
    Pueblo West, CO
    Sure, but it's still three safeties. Your brakes, seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones, safety glass, etc all forms part of the safety system in your car.
    It's still not one.

    Which is, I suspect, one reason why the Glock trigger (from the factory) is no lightweight.

    There are plenty of striker fired pistols with thumb safeties. The Taurus PT111 G2 that I reviewed elsewhere is one.
     
  4. Chrisoro

    Chrisoro Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2014
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    97
    Trophy Points:
    183
    Did you read the post I responded to when I said that they had been using revolvers since the seventies? As in since then, and still do according to the two sites i refered to? Because in that context, your answer that this isn't the 70s doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

    Apparently, they are using revolvers for some amphibious operations since in that setting, the 686 revolver handles being constantly drenched and drained of saltwater much better than most semi autos.

    Thank you so much for the insightfull lechture on the changing nature of technology. I would never have known unless you told me. Guess it's time to throw away my bicycles, as they're, you know, far less advanced than my neighbours segway. And people were using bicycles in the seventhies! Talk about ancient technology!

    Time to exit this train wreck of a thread, I guess.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Tgace

    Tgace Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2003
    Messages:
    7,766
    Likes Received:
    408
    Trophy Points:
    208
    In regards to SEALS, the 686 was/is pretty much a specialty weapon used in dive operations.

    Much like revolvers have become in general...niche weapons. :)
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. elder999

    elder999 El Oso de Dios!

    • LifeTime Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2005
    Messages:
    9,804
    Likes Received:
    1,343
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Where the hills have eyes.,and it's HOT!
    Firstly:
    Efforts Continue to Replace Army Air Force Small Arms

    From the same article:

    Lastly, there's this- a 1st Infantry soldier deployed in Afghanistan. Please note what's on his body armor?

    us-army-1st-id-with-glock-395.jpg

    I say again:

    shitshinola.jpg
     
  7. Tgace

    Tgace Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2003
    Messages:
    7,766
    Likes Received:
    408
    Trophy Points:
    208
    What the Army issues and what local commanders may authorize (especially on the battlefield) can be two different things.

    Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. elder999

    elder999 El Oso de Dios!

    • LifeTime Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2005
    Messages:
    9,804
    Likes Received:
    1,343
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Where the hills have eyes.,and it's HOT!

    Words have meaning. When someone says, "In the USA officers carry sidearms although Im not sure about enlisted personnel. They also don't use Glocks since they're striker pin fired sidearms."

    without adding "what local commanders may authorize (especially on the battlefield),etc." then it becomes, like most posts from that source, spurious, incomplete, or a completely meaningless statement.

    MARINE:

    glockmarine2.jpg
    (This guy was an MP in Iraq)

    ARMY:

    ArmyMPglock.JPG
     
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2015
    • Like Like x 1
  9. Tez3

    Tez3 Sr. Grandmaster

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2006
    Messages:
    26,958
    Likes Received:
    4,417
    Trophy Points:
    308
    Location:
    England
    Go on, hands up who doesn't actually care who carries revolvers! Weapon discussions are interesting but this isn't a discussion is it, it's one of the OPs interminable threads :D where we all post our tuppence worth and have a laugh, admit it, we are amused. :)
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. Tgace

    Tgace Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2003
    Messages:
    7,766
    Likes Received:
    408
    Trophy Points:
    208
    Well...like many general statements, Photon has some grains of fact in his points.

    The US military (Army in particular) did reject Glock for a service pistol, and it being striker fired was one of the reasons, but not primarily because of safety concerns.

    For a rationale that I can't explain, the military wanted double/single pistols with external hammers and external safeties. The powers that be wanted soldiers to be able to "second strike" misfires by pulling the trigger a second time instead of "tap.rack.bang". Can't do that with a striker fired pistol.

    And in general, pistols are not usually issued to many enlisted MOS's. Some job slots do indeed have handguns as part of their MTOE.

    A somewhat accurate list...from an Infantry perspective would include Medics, Machine gunners, Company CDR, 1SG, XO, Higher HQ staff types etc...then there's tankers, MPs, flight crews etc.


    "Issued" and "acquired" can be different issues on deployments though.... :)

    Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk
     
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2015
    • Like Like x 2
  11. Dirty Dog

    Dirty Dog MT Senior Moderator Staff Member

    • LifeTime Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2009
    Messages:
    16,674
    Likes Received:
    3,964
    Trophy Points:
    308
    Location:
    Pueblo West, CO
    Tgace, there is no reason second strike can't be done with a striker fired pistol. The Taurus PT111 I reviewed elsewhere has this, as well as a thumb safety.
    So while Glock may not have chosen to include second strike, your statement that it can't be done is incorrect.


    Sent from an old fashioned 300 baud acoustic modem by whistling into the handset. Not TapaTalk. Really.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Tgace

    Tgace Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2003
    Messages:
    7,766
    Likes Received:
    408
    Trophy Points:
    208
    Yeah. True...engineers and weapon designers can make most anything possible. But the PT111 is an oddity (altgough I think some HK models and maybe Walther have the feature). Perhaps I should have said "most" striker fired pistols. ;)

    And I don't know that any striker fired handgun in the running had that feature when the military was doing their last trial....by and large, most striker fired pistols can't be "refired" w/o running the slide.

    Of course, demanding "second strike" from a service pistol seems like a solution in search of a problem....but it is what it is.

    Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk123
     
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2015
    • Agree Agree x 1

Share This Page

Search tags for this page

686 smith wesson used by seals

,

how many extra bullits did cops carry when they carried revolvers

,

revolvers have no place