Aikido hate

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  1. drop bear

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    The difference between men brawling in a bar and self defense can be up to the quality of you lawyer.

    Going back to the importance of preemptive striking. In the self defence situation you described, multiple guys ambushing you to steal your stuff. Preemptive striking is about the least useful skill you can learn.

    If someone calls you out in a pub then smacking the guy off the bat and running for the door works pretty well.

    You are suggesting that tactics that work for Geoff Thompson with his bouncing back ground work. And then try to suggest that pub fighting background doesn't apply.

    So what grounding does Geof Thompson have in self defence? Because it sounds like your logic is shooting yourself in the foot.
     
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  2. Steve

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    Well, to be more accurate, fighting is fighting, and can be legal or illegal. Self defense is a legal justification for fighting. Self defense is to fighting what the morning after pill is to unprotected seX with a stranger. Taking the pill doesn't mean you didn't have sex. It simply means you won't pay for that sex for the rest of your life.
     
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    LOL.

    That's your rejoinder? I don't know what martial art you practice, but your rhetorical Kung Fu is weak. :p

    A fight is a fight. The difference between self defense and a street fight is a question of why, not how or what.
     
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  4. jobo

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    street fighting isn't necessarily illegal
     
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    Well Geoff Thompson said it. So how many fights to how many deaths was he involved in?

    I mean it would be tough going to work every day and having people die on you all the time.

    Of course if by chance he had hundreds or thousands of fights and nobody died. Then we have a different interpretation of misleading.

    By the way he has the fence. The animal day concept. ( which is hyperbole version of MMA) Some sucker punching. Some jits and some judo.
     
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    By the way. Can you see how nuts conversations regarding self defence gets. Because nobody has the grounding and everyone is trying to beat some sort of drum. The information you actually get is so unreliable.

    It is like trying to argue what colour pants god wears.

    This is a very big aspect of the Aikido hate. Or any martial art that relies on this justification.

    We are comparing this mentally with people who will justify their Method by grabbing you and hurting you until you have to stop.

    Which is such a compelling argument as compared to what martial artists are generally used to.
     
  7. AIKIKENJITSU

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    Hi, I'm a old martial arts instructor. I started learning in 1970 and I still teach and work out. I wanted to learn Aikido, and I went to several schools, but what finally caught my eye was Kenpo. I earned a black belt in Tracy kenpo and then third degree black in Ed Parker (American) Kenpo. I've read legit articles and from my own experience I can tell you this about Aikido: It is only effective if you have enough room to do it. Also it isn't truly a self defense art where it can be applied in every situation. Here's an example: a black belt wrote an article in black belt magazine. He was a black belt in Aikido and also a military police overseas. When having to break up a bar fight, he was many times at a loss of what to do. Aikido just didn't cut the mustard in tight situations. He later learned a punching and kicking art and combined Aikido with it and he had a kickass art. Aikido "compliments" a punching and kicking martial art. I added the circular motion of Aikido to Kenpo in taking guys down. Remember, the Aikido creator wanted an art to profess peace and harmony with the universe.
    Sifu
     
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    How come you have chosen to label your self sifu and not sensei?
     
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    So, for the third time of asking, what do you think his system is?
     
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    It is, but then SD skills don't begin and end with physical skills. Fighting doesn't teach you the non physical SD skills. That's why Maiquel Falcao and undefeated Kaue Mena ended up in hospital. They had great fighting skill, but no (non physical) SD skills to stop their situation escalating to the point of violence.
     
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    In what way?
     
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    It is. SD is legal justification for a physical response. I just choose not to label that physical response as fighting, as it leads people to believe it can resemble a consensual sport/street fight, and also that the two require the same skill set.
     
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    I will try harder Sifu ;)
     
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    in that there is no specific law against fighting. The nearest we has is affray
    but that needs quite a big fight usually involving a fair number of people and indiscriminate violence
     
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    Yes whilst on paper there is no law against it, so it may appear legal, the reality is you are breaking any number of laws which will land you in trouble.
     
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    such as? The police have a habit,of slapping a section 5 public order on anything they can't find a specific offence for. But other than that a consensual fight where no one wants to complain about injuries doesn't seem to break anylaws.
    if you and i met up and decided to do some full bloodied sparing in the local park, there are no offences committed
     
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    Public Disturbance.
     
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    what laws that?
    I'm not aware of that as a uk law. And nether is google, what law are you quoting ?
     
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    There is overlap. You've said so yourself.
     
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    I’m not quoting anything. As we have said whilst there is no specific law and it may therefore appear to be legal, there will be other offences that it comes under. You can be charged with common assault without even injuring someone, so if you are injuring someone there is going to be something you can be arrested for. If we are fighting in a public place and the police are called they aren’t going to let us carry on because they can’t think and anything to arrest us for. Or do you think they would?

    Of course if neither of us agree to press charges we aren’t going to go to court, as the courts have too many more serious things to deal with, but the fact we decide not to press charges doesn’t mean there aren’t any.123
     

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