The difference between men brawling in a bar and self defense can be up to the quality of you lawyer. Going back to the importance of preemptive striking. In the self defence situation you described, multiple guys ambushing you to steal your stuff. Preemptive striking is about the least useful skill you can learn. If someone calls you out in a pub then smacking the guy off the bat and running for the door works pretty well. You are suggesting that tactics that work for Geoff Thompson with his bouncing back ground work. And then try to suggest that pub fighting background doesn't apply. So what grounding does Geof Thompson have in self defence? Because it sounds like your logic is shooting yourself in the foot.