wu style square form

[Kung Fu Wang105]

We use shiko dachi to drop low, you can get lower while staying upright than with both feet pointed forward. There are a whole bunch of throws and takedowns can be done using that stance.

That's the missing part - with both feet pointed forward.

 

[Kung Fu Wang105]

Nonsense.

Try to stand in "outward stance" and stay low (bend your knees) and stand up (straight your knees). Repeat it 100 times. You will get the feeling yourself (I will not suggest this as a correct exercise).

If you want to move toward east, both of your knees and feet should also point to the east, or at least southeast/northeast, but never southwest/northwest.

What can be the reason that your left foot points toward east but your right foot point southwest?

 

[Same Trick51]

Ok, a little interesting since topics about Wu-square form, but maybe no relevance.

That stance that Kung Fu Wang has pointed out, in Japanese is called Shiko-dachi, and that supposedly meaning Square Stance (shiko/shikaku-square/rectangle)

 

[Kung Fu Wang105]

Ok, a little interesting since topics about Wu-square form, but maybe no relevance.

That stance that Kung Fu Wang has pointed out, in Japanese is called Shiko-dachi, and that supposedly meaning Square Stance (shiko/shikaku-square/rectangle)

Do you know the reason that people may use this stance for?

So far, the only support argument is to "open your groin" (in Taiji sense). But that's more for health than for combat.

CON:

- Invite for groin kick.
- Invite for leg spring.
- Poor balance.
- If you spring forward from that stance, you will hurt your back knee.

What can be the PRO?

 

[Same Trick51]

Do you know the reason that people may use this stance for?

So far, the only support argument is to "open your groin" (in Taiji sense). But that's more for health than for combat.

CON:

- Invite for groin kick.
- Invite for leg spring.
- Poor balance.
- If you spring forward from that stance, you will hurt your back knee.

What can be the PRO?

As other poster mentioned- to drop/sink ?

Actually in my XYQ 5element link form, the move that comes immediately after the beginning 3 bengquan sequence( although I do beng/heng/beng) comes a little like that “shiko” stance, I do that move with a pull and sink intent .

The stance probably quite stable in a side to side sense.

The pic of the cover of the karate book you posted, showing the karate master in that leg stance, if look at his whole posture it may show a “take down”or locking move as a possible application of it. His right downward arm function as pressing down and away at opponent throat, while his left hand high tight to his side holding opponent left wrist, the particular leg stance may be quite suited for this action ?

As for that leg stance in single whip or as I describe I somewhat briefly comes into it during my XYQ linking forms, application wize it’s not dealing with an opponent in the way/angles/position as asking to get kicked in the bijoux

 

[isshinryuronin]

The pic of the cover of the karate book you posted, showing the karate master in that leg stance, if look at his whole posture it may show a “take down”or locking move as a possible application of it. His right downward arm function as pressing down and away at opponent throat, while his left hand high tight to his side holding opponent left wrist, the particular leg stance may be quite suited for this action ?

This stance is sometimes called "seiunchin" stance named after the kata of the same name. This goju form is largely concerned with grappling where a lower stance is advantageous. It is used in other non-goju kata as well and usually signifies some sort of grappling move. It has a specific function - not a general purpose stance.

 

[Badhabits]

You wouldn't be front facing to your opponent in that stance. Generally side on/angled. There are defensive moves in that stance if opponent is behind you.
Think stepping/shooting in and placing one leg between or behind opponents legs. From another stance into shiko dachi, not shooting forward while in this stance to start with. The position of the knee can push the opponents leg, breaking their structure as you apply pressure to their upper body to take them down.

 

[Kung Fu Wang105]

In this video, it's easy to see that if your back foot points forward, it can help you to move forward or backward faster. It also helps you to borrow the counter force from the ground for your back hand punch.

 

[Same Trick51]

As for this leg stance in Wu taiji, it may just be present when the “snake creep down” is the following move ?
As I previously wrote, that at least in the northern Wu branch the “single whip” leg stance may wary from feet slightly pointing outward to fully pointing to “front” as a regular horse stance.
Here’s som pic of the northern Wu branch

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TJ_YangYuTing

 

[Kung Fu Wang105]

His opponent is on the east direction. If he needs to generate power on his left-hand strike, he will need to bend his right back leg, borrow the counter force from the ground, and then straight his right back leg. Since his right foot points southwest, that will put extra pressure on his right knee. Of course he can turn his right foot first. But that will add extra time for his left-hand strike.

Every time when I see a posture like this, I just like to ask what's the PRO for this?

 

[Same Trick51]

His opponent is on the east direction. If he needs to generate power on his left-hand strike, he will need to bend his right back leg, borrow the counter force from the ground, and then straight his right back leg. Since his right foot points southwest, that will put extra pressure on his right knee. Of course he can turn his right foot first. But that will add extra time for his left-hand strike.

Every time when I see a posture like this, I just like to ask what's the PRO for this?

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It may not be intended as a full blown palm strike, the picture may hold about a similar application as I described for the karate book cover picture you posted previously.
Actually the outstretched arm with hooked hand may say quite clear it’s somehow grabbing on to opponent right arm/wrist

 

[Badhabits]

Single whip: Part 1 - defence against that first punch

www.wayofleastresistance.net

This guy has a couple of good articles on this subject if anyone's interested. His blog has a ton of good stuff.

 

[Appledog44]

If you train that kind of outward stance long enough, you will get a permanent leg injury.

Do you mean hip impingement? Can you please explain more? In our style we have specific exercises that train both outward squat and inward squat. I am wondering if it will lead to injury.

Nonsense.

Given that there are specific training (jibengong) methods used to assist with both inward and outward stances, I wonder if there is not something to it. I am wondering if they exist because of possible damage if you just try to perform the stances without proper training.

Legend has it that some styles that have been created in the last 100-120 years are "bad" in the sense that the stance alignment doesn't really work out, presenting subtle flaws in structure that cause long term health problems. These are hard problems to work out. Maybe I can ask my sifu later.

 

[Kung Fu Wang105]

Do you mean hip impingement? Can you please explain more? In our style we have specific exercises that train both outward squat and inward squat. I am wondering if it will lead to injury.

When you do low outer stance, you put pressure on your knee joints. You twist both knees outward at that moment.

Chinese wrestling has outward stance as bow-arrow stance (train for turning shin bone into foot sweep).