Why you should never cartwheel in a fight.

[Ironbear24]

In all seriousness though, why do some people insist on doing flips and cartwheels in fights?

 

[Blindside]

Who is insisting?

 

[Ironbear24]

Apparently Jake Mace has in his videos.

 

[Kickboxer101]

No one does flips in real life just in movies

 

[Blindside]

Apparently Jake Mace has in his videos.

Find a video of Jake Mace actually sparring and see if he is "insisting" there.

 

[frank raud]

Who is insisting?

Capoeira dudes?

 

[Blindside]

I have actually been hit by a cartwheel kick in point fighting. That was embarrassing, great set up though.

 

[JP3]

There was a trend in competitive judo a few years back, where a line of teachers were teaching turn-outs and cartwheels to avoid being thrown. It would work, generally, but when it failed, the student would get broken. And that was broken in a controlled judo tournament bout, on a mat, not on the street where people cheat.

Nope, flips aren't for me. If you get thrown, accept the fall (ukemi), and if the thing is n actual fight, rely on your ground skills (Hope you've developed some by that time).

 

[drop bear]

Because sakuraba.

 

[Red Sun]

Is it reeeally such a bad idea?

 

[JowGaWolf]

I've seen too many people get knocked out by it to take it lightly. I hope I can remember to sweep the hands if I see one up close, in person.

 

[Danny T]

Check out Saenchai, considered by many to be the best Nak Muay today. Cartwheel kicking is one of his main knockout attacks.

 

[drop bear]

Where as I can't do this flippy stuff. I am impressed by it.

It is an actual trained move.

 

[drop bear]

Capoeira dudes?

Brian Ebersole.

 

[drop bear]

Check out Saenchai, considered by many to be the best Nak Muay today. Cartwheel kicking is one of his main knockout attacks.

Yeah that is brutal. I can do the cartwheel kick. But I have never been game to try it sparring.

Looks like he won't go off chops sparring which is a bit comforting.

 

[Midnight-shadow]

Find a video of Jake Mace actually sparring and see if he is "insisting" there.

The closest Jake Mace comes to sparring is slow motion drills.....

Back on topic, I can see how it can work but you've really got to nail it. Like most gimmicks, it has the element of surprise (nobody really expects it) but once you've seen it done once, it is a very telegraphed attack and therefore easily countered. I would also never use it in semi-contact or points sparring as it is very hard to control the power on it, and as a result you could knock out your opponent and get disqualified for using too much force.

 

[drop bear]

The closest Jake Mace comes to sparring is slow motion drills.....

Back on topic, I can see how it can work but you've really got to nail it. Like most gimmicks, it has the element of surprise (nobody really expects it) but once you've seen it done once, it is a very telegraphed attack and therefore easily countered. I would also never use it in semi-contact or points sparring as it is very hard to control the power on it, and as a result you could knock out your opponent and get disqualified for using too much force.

Also you tend to rely a bit on the other guy being wary of getting messed up by the move.

If you can just walk through the shot it will loose a lot of its effectiveness.

 

[Kickboxer101]

Where as I can't do this flippy stuff. I am impressed by it.

It is an actual trained move.

Yeah but wrestling is different to fighting it's easy to do that on the ground on a padded mat where the other guy can't hit you and no risk so smashing yourself on concrete

 

[Danny T]

Yeah that is brutal. I can do the cartwheel kick. But I have never been game to try it sparring.

Looks like he won't go off chops sparring which is a bit comforting.

His setups and timing are awesome to watch.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

There was a trend in competitive judo a few years back, where a line of teachers were teaching turn-outs and cartwheels to avoid being thrown. It would work, generally, but when it failed, the student would get broken. And that was broken in a controlled judo tournament bout, on a mat, not on the street where people cheat.

Nope, flips aren't for me. If you get thrown, accept the fall (ukemi), and if the thing is n actual fight, rely on your ground skills (Hope you've developed some by that time).

I saw a clip some months ago where a judoka was thrown in competition and posted on his head to avoid the ippon. He pretty much just did a cartwheel using his head instead of his hands for base and bounced back to his feet like a cartoon character. I thought it was simultaneously one of the most impressive and most idiotic stunts I had ever seen. If I ever did something like that I would be carried off to the hospital with a broken neck.