Why do I find multiple Japanese kanji for the same words in English?

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that all right then makes perfect sense,

you still cant read what they say though
I don't have to if I know what they mean. The last thing I want to do is write the virtues of the martial art I train in, in a language the martial art is not taught in. That's even worse.
 

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Yes I have specifically looked for an artist who specialises in Japanese culture, and you've given me a great idea to email a Japanese teacher at my university. Thank you very much. The last thing I want to do, is get "i am an idiot" tattooed on my back in a foreign language
A friend of mine had a tattoo she translated from kanji that was meant to be her name (I believe). A couple years later, I met her and asked her about it, asked her how she knew it was her name, she told me she translated it back when trying to learn japanese, but wasn't entirely sure it was correct. I asked her if I could take a picture and show it to someone who was fluent in japanese. Took the picture, sent it to someone on here who I knew spoke japanese. He went over the kanji with me, and ultimately it amounted to nonsense, but the closest translation that could be given was, IIRC, 'dangerous sex'. She's since got it covered up.
 

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I don't have to if I know what they mean. The last thing I want to do is write the virtues of the martial art I train in, in a language the martial art is not taught in. That's even worse.
clearly thats even worse, defacing your self in japanese is a major improvement,

if you cant read them why do your care if they are spelt correctly, if they tattoo you with this man is dumb as a rock, you wouldnt even know
 
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clearly thats even worse, defacing your self in japanese is a major improvement,

if you cant read them why do your care if they are spelt correctly, if they tattoo you with this man is dumb as a rock, you wouldnt even know
Because if I didn't know, when I eventually found out it'd be embarrassing. If I am gonna get a tattoo of something, I might as well get it done right given that its permanent.
 

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well yea, totoos are the preserve of the emotionaly imature or people in crisis, its also fairly likly that if or when they gain emotional maturity and stop being in crisis they regret it, this is a poll of the numerous peopke i know with tatoos.
.this of course depends on what they have had tatooed and where as to how much they regret it and how soon.

grown men or women who are proud of their tatoos are rare and are all most with out question at the lower end of the iq curve

this is self evidently true if you look around and mingle in circles where tats are the norm

.... that says it all really. Especially the emotionally immature part, that was rich.
 

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There's an old saying, "You don't put a bumper sticker on a Lamborghini."

Ivan, take your time picking out what you want, there's no hurry.

If you don't find the character you like I'll reach out to some Japanese friends of mine who are well versed in all things language.
 

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well yea, totoos are the preserve of the emotionaly imature or people in crisis
Jobo, I personally agree with much of what you think on this subject, but let poor Ivan alone. He's a big boy. He will take responsibility for his own body. At least he's wanting to get something motivational for himself and not some dumb crap to look tough. I can appreciate that.
 
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There's an old saying, "You don't put a bumper sticker on a Lamborghini."

Ivan, take your time picking out what you want, there's no hurry.

If you don't find the character you like I'll reach out to some Japanese friends of mine who are well versed in all things language.
Thank you very much that would be really helpful. I will let you know if thats okay with you?
 
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Oh, i TL;DR, Honestly if you want a foreign langauge tattoo seek a proffesional linguist for the langauge in question. If you ever get any job that mandates you provide a translation via that service, you have killed 2 bird with one stone. Its correct, and you have certificate to state this qualified person states it is this translation/correct.

In regards to if its dumb or not from what i have seen. Muslims are meant to pray in arabic and learn arabic and english speaking Muslim doesnt know arabic/is learning it. Or any non arabic speaking muslim. Same with Catholicism and Latin. And some other things, its not innately stupid and you get unqiue ideas and concepts that can only be expressed in X langauge, or dont translate well to others. Its the dynamic of diffrent langauges and some cocnepts existing in some and not in others or can only be expressed in that langauge. Like some use pink/have pink, others have light red.


Plus, tattos have diffrent cultural meanings and standards. Some cultures its part and parcel to get a tattoo in this design or location on you. Largely a prefrence game. (i dont think you are going to sell that somone with a Koi tatto who looks like they just came out of the article circle is Yakuza in japan, and they also dont speak any japanese) Damned if you do or dont, there are 8 billion people, some iconography you put on yourself is going to offend somone or be taken by somone else, or the egneral design will be.
 

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Jobo, I personally agree with much of what you think on this subject, but let poor Ivan alone. He's a big boy. He will take responsibility for his own body. At least he's wanting to get something motivational for himself and not some dumb crap to look tough. I can appreciate that.
is it motivational? in that it will provided him with motivation, if it does ok, i still cant see why you couldnt have it on a poster, but of course it wont, motivatate comes from inside not from dodgy japannese body art.

people 5hink inking themselves shows commitment tather than i see it distinct lack of judgement.

take all those folk who have their childrens names tattooed, does that make them a better parent?, no not judging from the fact that a large proportion of them fail to pay child support,

imagine if you were interviewing for a job, and you said to the candidate

this job requires passion, commitment and an ability to self start and self supervise

and the guys says, yea i can do that, look ive got passion, commititment, self start and self supervision tatooed on my arm in sanskrit, would you a) imediatly be convince and offer the job or b) make excuses to cut the interview short and look for someone who can do that with out putting an aid memoir on their arm

id tend towards the second one myself
 
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Oh, i TL;DR, Honestly if you want a foreign langauge tattoo seek a proffesional linguist for the langauge in question. If you ever get any job that mandates you provide a translation via that service, you have killed 2 bird with one stone. Its correct, and you have certificate to state this qualified person states it is this translation/correct.

In regards to if its dumb or not from what i have seen. Muslims are meant to pray in arabic and learn arabic and english speaking Muslim doesnt know arabic/is learning it. Or any non arabic speaking muslim. Same with Catholicism and Latin. And some other things, its not innately stupid and you get unqiue ideas and concepts that can only be expressed in X langauge, or dont translate well to others. Its the dynamic of diffrent langauges and some cocnepts existing in some and not in others or can only be expressed in that langauge. Like some use pink/have pink, others have light red.


Plus, tattos have diffrent cultural meanings and standards. Some cultures its part and parcel to get a tattoo in this design or location on you. Largely a prefrence game. (i dont think you are going to sell that somone with a Koi tatto who looks like they just came out of the article circle is Yakuza in japan, and they also dont speak any japanese) Damned if you do or dont, there are 8 billion people, some iconography you put on yourself is going to offend somone or be taken by somone else, or the egneral design will be.
there is certainly an eliment of tribe in tats, others have them do you need to do so inorder to join please them or show commitment.

it was common when i was a kid for 15/16 yo to start inking themselves, there was an enourmass amount of peer presure brought to bare, to fit in and to try and emulate the hard men of the town, not with standing the hardmen were by and large unempkoyed drunken bumms.

if they were lucky they foubd a parlor that didnt ask questions many of themself inked all over their arms and hands, and one aquantance all over his face, inkcluding a swastika on his forehead, its safe to say he quickly joined the ranks or the unemployed drunken bumms

then i went throught it all again in my outlaw biker days, non of them were particularly bright but those who had promise found progresing through life with biker tatts difficult, they always had to put them in very hard to cover places,

you just dont tend to see VPs with live to ride on their hand or satans slaves on their neck
 
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there is certainly an eliment of tribe in tats, others have them do you need to do so inorder to join please them or show commitment.

it was common when i was a kid for 15/16 yo to start inking themselves, there was an enourmass amount of peer presure brought to bare, to fit in and to try and emulate the hard men of the town, not with standing the hardmen were by and large unempkoyed drunken bumms.

if they were lucky they foubd a parlor that didnt ask questions many of themself inked all over their arms and hands, and one aquantance all over his face, inkcluding a swastika on his forehead, its safe to say he quickly joined the ranks or the unemployed drunken bumms

then i went throught it all again in my outlaw biker days, non of them were particularly bright but those who had promise found progresing through life with biker tatts difficult, they always had to put them in very hard to cover places,

you just dont tend to see VPs with live to ride on their hand or satans slaves on their neck

Not know what VP stands for in the context, but it is just a soley personal viewpoint on it. No one is really going to say "oh you cant have this job despite your overwelming amount of experience and qualifications in this sector" over a tattoo unless its obscene and visable. And if you live in a place where its associated with crime, you arent as there freinds are going to come and break your legs. The only negative culture thing i can view europe having for tattoos and piercings is, its a sin. there isn a universal cultural concess beyond the christain root of the culture have it listed as a sin.

in regards to upperclass sort, they generally rinse and repeat a mould down to needing to fit in and being outed if they dont fit a artifical mould. And that doesnt include visable tatoos, its why you generally see the same styles of hair, suit etc etc etc.
 

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Not know what VP stands for in the context, but it is just a soley personal viewpoint on it. No one is really going to say "oh you cant have this job despite your overwelming amount of experience and qualifications in this sector" over a tattoo unless its obscene and visable. And if you live in a place where its associated with crime, you arent as there freinds are going to come and break your legs. The only negative culture thing i can view europe having for tattoos and piercings is, its a sin. there isn a universal cultural concess beyond the christain root of the culture have it listed as a sin.

in regards to upperclass sort, they generally rinse and repeat a mould down to needing to fit in and being outed if they dont fit a artifical mould. And that doesnt include visable tatoos, its why you generally see the same styles of hair, suit etc etc etc.
vp stands for vice president, i put it in for our american friends.

yes tattos will at least can be held significantly against you in employment, less so if you a mechanic or a truck driver, to a major degree if you have ambitions to climb the management ladder

one because they look terible and yoyr apearance as a reprentaive of the company is a major consideration, and two they are assesing you as an asset to the company and many many peopke will regard tatts as showing really poor judgment and you dont want someone like that in charge of the company finances, that may be, but probebly isnt unfair, but it is, how it is
 
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yes tattos will at least can be held significantly against you in employment, less so if you a mechanic or a truck driver, to a major degree if you have ambitions to climb the management ladder
Not that much anymore, its a pretty petty reason. The only excuse you have is if its obscene or visable. (if its not visable its not a valid factor at all)
 

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Not that much anymore, its a pretty petty reason. The only excuse you have is if its obscene or visable. (if its not visable its not a valid factor at all)
if you cant see it they dont know, but the next promotion after youve been to work in a short sleive shirt may be hard to get.

you might think its petty, lots of people think recruiting the right staff with the,right mentality is important and tattos are a major danger sign that all is not well, mentally,

your esentially branding yourself, as low class of poor intelect and judgement and that is a big hurdle to get over when there is someone equally qualified and exspwrianxed with outt them

now if the personell manager has a slieve you might get more favourable treatment, but if he had a slieve he wouldnt be personnel manager.

you can get a pass for service tattoos, sometimes, especially if you night security
 

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if you cant see it they dont know, but the next promotion after youve been to work in a short sleive shirt may be hard to get.

you might think its petty, lots of people think recruiting the right staff with the,right mentality is important and tattos are a major danger sign that all is not well, mentally,

your esentially branding yourself, as low class of poor intelect and judgement and that is a big hurdle to get over when there is someone equally qualified and exspwrianxed with outt them

now if the personell manager has a slieve you might get more favourable treatment, but if he had a slieve he wouldnt be personnel manager.

you can get a pass for service tattoos, sometimes, especially if you night security


37 years ago, I hired on at Indian Point #3 nuclear power plant as an operator. There were 13 of us in my class of operators: Navy submariners, college grads, boiler technicians, and one mechanically inclined, clever full-sleeved tattoed biker who was himself a tattoo artist named Steve. Steve was one of the best students in that class-all of whom were pretty bright-and easily the most capable mechanically. We spent 6 months in classroom training, and, except for occasional forays down to the plant to trace systems, did not have much contact with the men who were going to be our bosses.

Those guys, who'd gone to work for Con Edison after WWII, and worked their way up to manage operations from menial jobs (as was the Con Ed way at the time), were some of the smartest and best bosses I ever had....one of them, who'd retire after I'd been there two years, was a legend in the industry......and had a tattoo.

Those guys hated Steve. Called him "the Painted Lady," and did their best to run him off....eventually, they did, in spite of our strong union.


Fast forward quite few years through my working at Los Alamos National Lab, being "forced" to go back to school for an advanced degree I didn't want, and leaving the lab to work in the power industry again. I eventually wound up building and running a large thermal-solar power plant in Southern California ( I posted about it here) and hiring a very clever bright operator with full-sleeve tattoos...my boss said, "You know, twenty years ago, I wouldn't have hired that guy with tattoos like that, and I'd have missed out."

Fact is, here in the U.S., the attitude about tattoos has changed quite a bit in the last 30 years, and thinking like yours is outdated, and potentially illegal in terms of hiring practices, @jobo . I know more than a few other PhDs with tattoos, some bankers, lawyers, teachers and doctors, and a few of them are very attractive women.

Sure, people make regrettable decisions. I knew a guy in Santa Fe had his "HIV +" tattoo removed......
......I've also known more than a few marriages to end in divorce, really badly, but I'd never presume to tell someone not to get married because of that.

Tattoos No Longer A Kiss Of Death In The Workplace
 
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Long story short, I am trying to tattoo the Japanese kanji for different virtues I feel are integral to my path in martial arts and have "understood". So as I progress in life and develop my character, I aim to discover more virtues and understand them fully. I want to start off by tattooing "passion", but I find multiple kanji for it.
I know that the way English, or the other languages I speak, use one word to encompass all of its possible meanings, and in Japanese (correct me if I am wrong) there is different kanji for different meanings of the same "word". If I am correct, again I may have misunderstood when attempting to deepen my understanding on this topic, there is a different kanji for honesty with yourself, and with another person. I also know there are 3
"alphabets" used, with one having over 200 "characters".

So what I am asking is
  • what is the Japanese Kanji for passion in terms of being passionate about what you do?
  • to correct me on any of my information if it is wrong
Thanks in advance.

@Ivan , might I suggest Musha shugy (甇西靽株) , "training in warriorship."
 

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37 years ago, I hired on at Indian Point #3 nuclear power plant as an operator. There were 13 of us in my class of operators: Navy submariners, college grads, boiler technicians, and one mechanically inclined, clever full-sleeved tattoed biker who was himself a tattoo artist named Steve. Steve was one of the best students in that class-all of whom were pretty bright-and easily the most capable mechanically. We spent 6 months in classroom training, and, except for occasional forays down to the plant to trace systems, did not have much contact with the men who were going to be our bosses.

Those guys, who'd gone to work for Con Edison after WWII, and worked their way up to manage operations from menial jobs (as was the Con Ed way at the time), were some of the smartest and best bosses I ever had....one of them, who'd retire after I'd been there two years, was a legend in the industry......and had a tattoo.

Those guys hated Steve. Called him "the Painted Lady," and did their best to run him off....eventually, they did, in spite of our strong union.


Fast forward quite few years through my working at Los Alamos National Lab, being "forced" to go back to school for an advanced degree I didn't want, and leaving the lab to work in the power industry again. I eventually wound up building and running a large thermal-solar power plant in Southern California ( I posted about it here) and hiring a very clever bright operator with full-sleeve tattoos...my boss said, "You know, twenty years ago, I wouldn't have hired that guy with tattoos like that, and I'd have missed out."

Fact is, here in the U.S., the attitude about tattoos has changed quite a bit in the last 30 years, and thinking like yours is outdated, and potentially illegal in terms of hiring practices, @jobo . I know more than a few other PhDs with tattoos, some bankers, lawyers, teachers and doctors, and a few of them are very attractive women.

Sure, people make regrettable decisions. I knew a guy in Santa Fe had his "HIV +" tattoo removed......
......I've also known more than a few marriages to end in divorce, really badly, but I'd never presume to tell someone not to get married because of that.

Tattoos No Longer A Kiss Of Death In The Workplace
well we live at a time where posting to many party pics on facebook will have you turned down for a job, turning up for interview with tatts is no different that turning up with a moulth full of rotting teeth or stinking to high heaven, neither of which mean you cant do the job, both of which mean your chance of getting the job is lessend considerable unless its something menial and they are desperate.

nor does tatts automaticaly mean you are of subpar intelect, but if you formed that opinion youd be right 80% of the time.

what it always mean is they have emotional/ self esteem issues, they must have to think it enhances them in anyway or they are very very weak willed and cant stand up to peer presure, either way if your employing them in a postion where they reprsent the company and have significant responsibility you should really think twice, if someone who thoughht it a good idea to have a bad cartoon of their favourite soccer player indelable marked on their forearm is the right man or woman for the job.

im not sure what the law is in the states, but not employing people who stink, have rotting teeth or have purposly disfigured themselves is fine here, i doubt its different unless theres a race issue in the tats, and "Harleys for ever " doesnt fit that defintion
 
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well we live at a time where posting to many party pics on facebook will have you turned down for a job, turning up for interview with tatts is no different that turning up with a moulth full of rotting teeth or stinking to high heaven, neither of which mean you cant do the job, both of which mean your chance of getting the job is lesserend considerable unless its something menial and they are desperate.

nor does tatts automatiical mean your of subpar intelect, but if you formed that opinion youd be right 80% of the time.

what it always mean is they have emosional/ self esteem issues, they must have to think it enhances them in anyway or they are very very weak willed and cant stand up to peer presure, either way if your employing them in a postion where they reprsent the company and have significant responsibility you should really think twice, if someone who thoughht it a good idea to have a bad cartoon of their favourite soccer player indelable marked on their forearm is the right man or woman for the job.

8m not sure what the law is in the states, but not employing people who stink, have rotting teeth or have purposly disfigured themselves is fine here, i doubt irs different unless theres a race issue in the tats, and "Harleys for ever " doesnt fit that defintion

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well clearly lot and lots of people regret them, otherwise there would not be a multibillion dollar tattoo removal industy
Like I said "posers". We have a lot of them running around.
 
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