What Is this style of fighting training? Can someone explain? this isnt like scorpion and sub zero from mortal kombat is it or not? I've never come across anyone in my life to say they actually trained in it so I'd like any and all information on what it is, the schools and all!
what is ninjutsu?
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I have a question for the Ninjas.You tell me the Koga line is no more.I honor your word of that .My question is ( I had a teacher for Sul Sa do & he claimed the gentlemans art was from Koga Korea & the line is Koga ninja.I did send clips of this line to Shesulsa as well as my main teacher Wong Joon Lee for Tdk-Hwarang-do & Sulsa.IS the Hwarang & Sulsa some form of ninja?If it is then is it Koga as they told me & tought me ( from Koga Korea)
I understand the AKoga line in Japan is gone.There is a reigon in Korea called Koga & I did send footage so shesulsa of the Koga-Hwrang-Sulsa.I need to know on the Korean side Is this possable?Once again thanks for the info of Japanese line>Please do you have any info that may lead to the Koga line in Koga Korea !I know the Hwrang do is a stem of a ninja type-How about the Sulsa?
heretic888
Senior Master
monkey said:
The "sulsa" never existed. They're about as real as the "lin kuei".
The "hwarang" were more like Boy Scouts for the nobility, rather than being a group of warriors per se. No martial art existing today has a historical connection to these individuals.
Please see:
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53897
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16482
Laterz.
Hwarang do there is a great org. in Calif. under Dr.Joo Bang Lee.I take it you say this line is dead.In just asking not any other intent.I was tought a line &told things that seem to have so line but has holes.If you catch what I mean.The Sulsa was tought out of Colorado & has Hwrang line.In not talking Kooksul. They specified Hwarang.
heretic888
Senior Master
monkey said:
Please review the links I just posted.
The "sulsa" never existed in Korean history.
The "hwarang" were something like youth training for male nobles. No martial arts connected to them survives to this day.
There is quite a lot of discussion about Joo Bang Lee in the second thread. I suggest reading through it in its entirety.
Laterz.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - revisionist history is a classic trait of all asian empires. Japan occupied the peninsula, China occupied the peninsula ... did they bring their arts there or did they take arts from there?
I suppose when we all die and become one with the creator and realize all that ever was and all that is to ever be, we will all know for sure. Until then, it's all just arguments we based on the history we are willing to back.
Who cares, really, beyond the obvious care in honor, where it came from?
I suppose when we all die and become one with the creator and realize all that ever was and all that is to ever be, we will all know for sure. Until then, it's all just arguments we based on the history we are willing to back.
Who cares, really, beyond the obvious care in honor, where it came from?
Edmund BlackAdder
<B>Rabid Wolverine</B>
The accepted history is that the Koga line is extinct.monkey said:
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=537440&postcount=5
I cite numerous sources there.
As to "Korean" Ninjas: 1 word: Hogwash.
In any event, this is a JAPANESE Ninjutsu forum, discussion of so-called non-Japanese Ninjutsu belongs elsewhere. (And American Ninjitsu belongs on another board all together, maybe a Power Rangers Fan Site?)
If you are interested in Korean arts, you might try a Korean art forum.
heretic888
Senior Master
shesulsa said:
Or, shesula, we could be completely rational about the subject, evaluate all of the available "evidence", look at the sources of said "evidence", and then make an informed decision for ourselves.
Regarding most of the modern Korean martial arts (Taekwondo, Hapkido, Hwarang-do, and so on), they are influenced heavily by Japanese martial arts, especially Shotokan Karate-do and Daito Ryu Aikijutsu. This most likely took place during the Japanese occupation of Korea.
Please read through the threads I linked for more details.
shesulsa said:
Two reasons that I can see:
1) Some of us believe that the truth is a worthwhile endeavor in and of itself, regardless of any utilitarian value it might have to us.
2) It has a lot to do with personal integrity. Men like Frank Dux and Joo Bang Lee may indeed be awesome martial artists and incredible teachers, but they also seem to have lied extensively about their backgrounds, refuse to provide proof for any of their claims, and publicly attack those that criticize their claims.
Laterz.
