I am not surprised you would completely discount any evidence that does not fit your preconceived notions. A little hint from a practicing scientist: the answer to evidence showing something isn't effective is other evidence showing the opposite - not an exhortation to talk to people who already believe in it. Post some evidence from people using decent empirical methods and I will go with it.
Your responses do nothing but attempt to deflect attention from the fact that you can't post the evidence while I can.
And your name calling and accusations and “scientist” statement is doing much the same.
And that is an expected response from one that is locked in western views that has a closed mind to anything else.
I told you in a previous post that there are multiple cases that have been treated studied and recorded in China but then we are back to you have never been there nor do you wish to seriously pursue any such study that does not fit your preconceived views.
and being a practicing scientist does not impress me all that much. Here's a bit of info scientists have been known to be wrong from time to time so thanks for the info, I already knew that by the way and have made mention of that to you ion previous posts. Its there go get it if you are seriously interested. But you didn't the last time so I can only assume you won't this time either. Have you actually ever talked to a person that is a graduate of a TCM school in China and discussed this?
Basically as far as MT is concerned we don't agree much or get along.
But lets take this in another direction and see exactly how open you are or closed minded you are
You study things related to TCM, although I find that doubtful due to the lack of knowledge you have displayed lets just say. Much of western sciences investigation into TCM can be described as reinventing the wheel and then taking credit for the invention of it.
You already said the following
Because most of it is bunk, and it has nothing to do with prescriptions. Many TCM techniques do not hold up under empirical testing. For those that do to an extent like acupuncture, they do not work for the reasons that TCM says they do. The spleen is not a critical organ of the body guys, sorry. You can do without your spleen. You cannot do without your brain, which strangely isn't listed.
First please define what you mean by "prescription"
Do you actually know what makes up TCM? I know you know acupuncture is part of it but do you know what else is involved?
And you are looking at it from the view of western medicine and that will not work.
Does a traditional Chinese medical doctor know how important a spleen is? You think not but you are quite wrong here. Part of the curriculum of TCM training at all TCM universities is western medicine. I have heard Western MDs and PhDs that were surprised and impressed by just the undergrad curriculum that is required at a TCM University (4 year degree 160 credits)
Western medicine treats the resultant illness where TCM looks for and treats the cause as they see it and it is rather successful using this approach. If you apply western medical views to it many times it is not as successful and if you bother to seek out and talk to a well trained TCM doc and check your ego at the door before you do it is likely they will discuss this with you . If you approach them with your usual approach here they will happily walk away form you and not care what you think and or say.
As to the books I referred to it is quite true that much of the in-depth information is in traditional Chinese, not translated into simplified Chinese and certainly not translated into English.
Sadly many that train TCM in the US do not have access to this information and they also do not have access to working in a hospital and prior to that they have no internship like they do in China.
Back to the organs you scoff at, this tends to be a cultural view of Chinese medicine and we are not brought up this way or taught any of this. Therefore we have a real hard time with TCM traditional diagnosis because we generally apply western medical ways of thinking to it and it does not work as well if you focus on result and not cause. And ANY well trained TCM practitioner will tell you that there are things that TCM handles better than western medicine and things that western medicine handles much better. But it is the cultural aspect you will not get unless you study Chinese history and culture and I actually mean no insult here but I highly doubt you have ever studied any of that. And I get that from “the spleen is not a critical organ” statement it is
Your turn scientist
Edit
I just discussed some of this with my wife and she said that the World Health Organization has done a lot of research on TCM, you might want to go to there site. But that it is not all proven by western science and that is not really of much concern, there is a lot Western science has yet to prove.
