One question from me :
But during this year my shidoshi should let me see something 'bout togakure or just bases??
My rank is 1st kyu!
Please let me know what you think!
Grateful to any answer
One thing did confuse me with Dales' post, though... Dale, you mention that the Togakure Ryu Densho begins with Gyokko Ryu, then Koto Ryu... I haven't seen any version of the scrolls with the techniques from the other schools, although given their close and intermingled histories, the techniques of the various schools have a lot of similarities. Could you possibly elaborate on that idea?
Thanks for the answer Dale; in regards to the "close and intermingled histories" I refered to, I agree that the differing schools weren't together under one head until the 1500's (at the very earliest!), mainly because Koto wasn't officially founded until 1542 by Sakagami Taro Kunishige.
I have seen Momochi Sandayu listed as Soke for both Koto Ryu and Gyokko Ryu, but not Togakure Ryu. From my understanding, the Togakure Ryu was brought under the same roof as the other schools when it came into the Toda family (also rumored in some sources I have seen as the founders of Kumogakure Ryu). However, the systems all share closely related sources. Gyokko Ryu founded by Hakuunsai Tozawa, said to be Soke of Hakuun Ryu; Togakure Ryu founded by Nishina Daisuke (Togakure Daisuke) after having been taught Hakuun Ryu by Kain Doshi (or Kagakure Doshi, or any of a couple of other names. Another possible founder is Shima Kosanta Minamoto no Kanesada, there are stories I have heard which are pretty much identical to the Daisuke story, just with Shima Kosanta's name in place. He is officially listed as the second Soke, though); and Koto Ryu being founded by Sakagami Taro Kunishige who was at the time the Soke of Gyokko Ryu.
So, although Togakure Ryu and Koto Ryu are separated by a number of centuries. . .