Originally posted by BRAM
I'm not really qualified to comment on this I guess. I'm not a MOTT nor a Guardian not anything but a student of Modern Arnis..
I remember in the 80's Professor doing single stick sparring..
you know..#1 high low high low #2 buttpunyo striking #3 clearing Payong-Umbrella, #4 butt- punyo sweeping
#5 Slant & umbrella passing...then add a strike to immediate head counter and a counter to the counter..He used to call that counter to counter Tapi Tapi..and it fit inside of single stick sparring..
Hello There Bram,
Very nice comment and example. I guess that some of us Modern Arnis "long-timers" still rememeber this kind of thing that Professor taught in the early 1980's through the mid 1990's. I came on scene in 1982 as a white belt, studying under Don Zanghi. My training in Modern Arnis was through the local academy in Buffalo AND the seminars as well as camps were for additional intense training, specificly with Professor. I was lucky enough to have Modern Arnis AS MY ART, not merely the art within my original art!
You had a similar training situatiion, I believe, plus you also hosted camps and seminars for Professor. Therefore, you had more opportunities than most others who trained within the art to talk privately and over extended periods of time with the man, as did I. Hence you are aware of many of the various statements that he made and retracted as am I. So I think that I can say without being impolite to anyone, that there are many people who were told many things by Professor... it's simply a matter of which statement do you choose to believe!
An example that I will relate to our readers: I heard Professor promise to help a certin under-belt in Modern Arnis, to open his own school; he also stated that he would put up the operational money necessary to get the school stated AND that the school would serve as the international headquarters for the IMAF! We were at dinner in a private home with just 5 people present, beside myself and the potential new school operator. The school was never opened under the conditions promised!
Then of course we got to do as he did and change up from right to right to left to right..as long as we paid attention...
But always in interview, in class, in seminars..he used to say that having the FLOW was the key..FLOW is what Modern Arnis was about...
He;d show me something show me how it was different from something else then ask me could I see its all the same..
yes it confused me but it forced me to try to see it..
He told me and many people that he personally got the FLOW from the space between Redonda X movement and Sinawali...
yes. I know he may have said something else to others.. I don't want to make that an issue..Justthat I add to the comments of he was into the ability to FLOW.
Damn, Bram, you really are a Modern Arnis long-timer to know, remember and relate to that statement!
I never knew what a MOTT was till just before the Professor died..
I think its( Tapi Tapi) another way , a part of the era..part of that particular tme that Professor had found to teach FLOW..the ability to go with what happens within the space of action-reaction..
everyone grows and changes....He was changing wih thoe that were with him..He found new ways to expresshimself..its not better or worse than we all did before..
Amen to that, Brother Bram... preach on Brother....
We're all got part of the truth as we are able to see it and express it.. sorry for the long rant..
Its only my opinion and I hope I haven't stepped on any toes and I have stuck to the main ORIGINAL thread..
When speaking the truth, do not apologize. Professor was dynamic not static in his thinking and approach to this art that he called Modern Arnis. He was growing and changing, he was refining and re-defining the art because he viewed it as a living creation, not a static art-form to be mimicked by rote and numbers!
There are a great number of people who knew the icon and seminar leader, the stick magician! These folks have lost a leader and guide through the maze that they call Modern Arnis. Some of these people are claiming leadership positions and as Dan Anderson has stated so well... they should lead or get out of the way (paraphrased, not quoted). I fully agree with that idea and in fact I am not looking to any of those folks to lead me anywhere!
I will follow my own destiny as I was doing before I met Professor and as I have since I quite the IMAF.
Professor and I remained friends, we talked from time to time and he never discourged me from following my own path. He told me more than once "Make money and be happy." So I am very delighted to see a post such as yours because it goes back to what we were taught early on by Professor. Now for the bigger question, how many of the people who studied under Professor can actually apply the lessons?
Jerome Barber, Ed.D.
Originally posted by Mao
... I hope your at the Mich. camp.
Originally posted by BRAM
A couple of more thoughts on Tapi Tapi and on its place on Modern Arnis...
I just watched the first 9 volumes of Professor Presas' last video series on Mano DeTranka: Tapi Tapi...
Basics were taught: stances, Abecidario, Corridas, Numerado...then Block check counter, then block check conter and counter to the counter..or Corridas into Tapi..then locking then disarms...
Hmmmm.... Professor teaching stances... oh wow, now that is a change from the times I was with him through 1994, it sounds like he had gone back to basics and resetting the curriculum... was he in the process of moving away from the "art within your art" approach? Sounds like to me, but of course we will never know for sure!
It all looked like the old days..Then the basic single stick sparring was taught right to right-left to right as the connecting bridge..
and the Tapi Tapi Drills became the glue that held the OLD stuff together..
Yeah, makes sense and it helps to explain why there are some difficulties with people taight in different eras of Modern Arnis training.
It reinforced my original thoughts that Professor Presas found a method for tying all of the material together into one long continuous drill.. a wonderful never ending drill that encompasses most of the library of Modern Arnis.many times on the video he states you must learn to make your own Tapi Tapi, to insert whatever you know..to in other words learn Flow..
Learn by rote, add new set skills and then learn to add the what ifs..till the what ifs are standard and there are no suprizes...
Remember spinning throw inside and out? palm press to floor?
of course standing centerlock? Compress elbow? passing inside and out? application of Palis-Palis? of course we all do..
Sounds to me like you are on the right path, Bram. One of the bigger difficulties that I see within this entire discussion is the problem of rote replication vs. open thinking and movements.
On a copuple of ocassions I have had people get upset with me when I went outside the "drill" and was told, "You can't do that, it's not part of the drill!" I remember all of things that you mentioned and I still use them, plus a number of other things from different areas of the arts.
Do I need more time to actualize this version of Tapi Tapi? yes..
Do I know a bunch of it? yup..
Will I get it as good as the MOTTs..and those they teach? I guess if i play enough..
Will the MOTTs get as good as the old guys at slam n jam? I guess with enough play time..
Seems like we have stuff to share..
Stuff we all do..
stuff we all learned from the Professor...
Damn it, Bram, would you stop acting like a committed student of the arts! Your thinking is going to upset some people and I really do not want to reqad through a lot of posts about how wrong you are wwhen you do not follow the drills and teachings of Professor, exactly as taught by Professor... how dare you consider and advocating making the art fit yourself ;-)
I know Tim knows the Tapi Tapi of the tapes very very well..I can only guess that his students are as up to speed on all of it
I guess I have some stuff to learn..
Thanks for all of you sharing & giving me a chance..
In reality and being serious for just a moment, there is stuff for all of us to learn.
Jerome Barber, Ed.D.