Tennessee Allows Guns In Bars

[MA-Caver]

Tenn. lawmakers approve allowing guns in bars

By LUCAS L. JOHNSON II, Associated Press Writer Lucas L. Johnson Ii, Associated Press Writer – Fri Jun 5, 7:34 am ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090605...X3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3Rlbm5sYXdtYWtlcg--NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Handguns will soon be allowed in bars and restaurants in Tennessee under a new law passed by state legislators who voted to override the governor's veto.
The legislation that takes effect July 14 retains an existing ban on consuming alcohol while carrying a handgun, and restaurant owners can still opt to ban weapons from their establishments.
Thirty-seven other states have similar laws.
The state Senate voted 21-9 on Thursday against Democratic Gov. Phil Bredesen's veto, a day after the House also voted 69-27 to override.
They overrode critics, including Bredesen, who said it's a bad idea to have guns and alcohol in close proximity.
Democratic Sen. Doug Jackson, the main sponsor of the bill, said state Safety Department records show handgun permit holders in Tennessee are responsible.
Of the roughly 218,000 handgun permit holders in Tennessee, 278 had their permits revoked last year, records show. Since 2005, state records shows nearly 1,200 people have lost their permits.
Revocations are issued for felony convictions, while permits can be suspended for pending criminal charges or for court orders of protection.

218,000 people have permits with 1200 having them revoked over the last 4 years. That's still a pretty good record of responsible CWP carriers.
But allowing guns in bars where there are people drinking... umm I'm sorry but I don't think this is the greatest of ideas here.
Alcohol releases inhibitions. An disagreement can turn into an argument an argument can turn into a fight, a fight with one or more guns involved turns into well... you know the rest.

Still there is this portion of the article to consider as well...

The law, which was supported by the National Rifle Association, has been successful in other states, its chief lobbyist said.
"Of those 37 states, not one state has attempted to repeal or amend those statutes because they've been successful," Chris Cox said.

Yet Obama is calling for a nationwide ban
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347690,00.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080419/pl_politico/9722
and so forth
Is it going to be worth having guns if they are wanting to take them away? Is it worth passing laws permitting them where they were banned before only to have them taken away...? What's the point?

 

[arnisador]

Talk about an accident(s) waiting to happen...

 

[celtic_crippler]

I think it's great. Gun control doesn't work.

I heard on the news the other day a report about Chicago's gun control laws being ineffective and something about 7 gun-related crimes just over the past weekend.

I know it's cliche but it's also very true: Gun control laws are only followed by law abiding citizens leaving them as the only ones without one to defend themselves from the criminals that ignore the law in the first place.

 

[arnisador]

Well, a bar full of drunks blurs the good guys/bad guys thing a bit...it's not the best place to have weapons about.

 

[Twin Fist]

An armed bar is a polite bar

 

[Carol]

Is gun violence by legal CCW holders a problem in other parts of America? It most certainly is not an issue here in New England.

A NH CPL holder at the Uptown Tavern in Manchester NH saved a bouncer's life a couple years back.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

An armed bar is a polite bar

Drunks are seldom polite, and most of them think they're bulletproof too.

 

[celtic_crippler]

Drunks are seldom polite, and most of them think they're bulletproof too.

I can see the headlines now... "Natural Selection Makes a Comeback!"

I love it. :boing2:

 

[Bill Mattocks]

I can see the headlines now... "Natural Selection Makes a Comeback!"

I love it. :boing2:

Unfortunately, most of them have already reproduced before they remove themselves from the gene pool with the famous last words "Hey, ya'll, watch this!"

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20090505_1_dead_in_beer_pong_game_gone_wrong.html

 

[celtic_crippler]

Unfortunately, most of them have already reproduced before they remove themselves from the gene pool with the famous last words "Hey, ya'll, watch this!"

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20090505_1_dead_in_beer_pong_game_gone_wrong.html

Evolution is a slow process.

Also, note the article stated he was carrying a conceled weapon illegally so obviously neither he nor his situation would be affected by any change in gun laws.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

Also, note the article stated he was carrying a conceled weapon illegally so obviously neither he nor his situation would be affected by any change in gun laws.

Oh, I agree. I don't even know if I'm for or against the new TN law - I really have no data on which to draw a conclusion, other than what I've read in this thread. My gut feeling is it sounds like a bad idea, but I have no proof that it is. I quote the news story just to demonstrate - drunks make poor choices. Add guns and you have armed drunks making poor choices.

My gut - and again, just my gut, not fact - says if drunks think they can beat up Lyoto Machida, they would probably also think that shooting someone who made them mad was a pretty good idea.

 

[CanuckMA]

I have no basis for this opinion, but I think that if I was a LEO, I'd have issues with responding to a disturbance call in a bar full of armed drunks.

 

[Gordon Nore]

Nuns in bars?
Why would Tenessee allow nuns in bars?

 

[arnisador]

Lol!

 

[celtic_crippler]

Oh, I agree. I don't even know if I'm for or against the new TN law - I really have no data on which to draw a conclusion, other than what I've read in this thread. My gut feeling is it sounds like a bad idea, but I have no proof that it is. I quote the news story just to demonstrate - drunks make poor choices. Add guns and you have armed drunks making poor choices.

My gut - and again, just my gut, not fact - says if drunks think they can beat up Lyoto Machida, they would probably also think that shooting someone who made them mad was a pretty good idea.

Did you see the guys picture? It looks like he made a life out of making bad decisions. My guess is that it's a family tradition and not due as much to alcohol. LOL

...bad Rob..."slaps wrist"

 

[celtic_crippler]

I have no basis for this opinion, but I think that if I was a LEO, I'd have issues with responding to a disturbance call in a bar full of armed drunks.

Oh...and would you rather be a LEO responding to a disturbance call and expect to encounter a bar full of armed drunks or not know for sure?

 

[clfsean]

Talk about an accident(s) waiting to happen...

Nah... that's just called 'cuttin to the chase'...

 

[clfsean]

Did you see the guys picture? It looks like he made a life out of making bad decisions. My guess is that it's a family tradition and not due as much to alcohol. LOL

...bad Rob..."slaps wrist"

Yeah... that was your outside voice...

 

[clfsean]

And to top it off... Tn & Ga share CCW reciprocity...

Since I bought a membership to the aquarium in Chattvegas (which is Ga anyway, but another argument), I literally can feel just like home now when I'm there.

 

[MA-Caver]

Nuns in bars?
Why would Tenessee allow nuns in bars?

Because it's to defend those Eagle's rights!