Street guys. Please give direct technical answers.

[Rich Parsons]

Ramos Arizpe, Coahuila, Mexico

while working as an engineer for General Motors and staying at a Hampton in Ramos Arizpe, Coahuila, Mexico.
I left one night wand walked about a half mile to a local party store.

One had to walk along over grown brush and desert (* Now developed as it was in mid to late 00's *) and then cross underneath the divided highway of three lanes on each side going different directions. Think USA expressway / freeway.
I would meet people all the time making this trip getting a pop or snacks for the next day in the plant.

I would keep my eye on them. I would give them distance. My head was on a swivel. And this was twenty-five years after graduation and working as an engineer.
The rules are still the same today.

Be respectful.
Avoid direct eye contact unless necessary.
Be aware of them and possible hiding spots.

Walk with purpose yet also with awareness.
Don't walk afraid. Don't cower and show fear. Caution Yes. Bravado no.

On one trip as I went there many times during the 00's.
A person did not bring steal toed shoes so we had to go buy some.
And we did it at lunch so a bunch of us went to get food afterwards.

While they were getting fitted and selecting either the A or B model of shoe, I walked further down the street.
At the next intersection a gang watcher saw me and made a phone call. The street further down cleared out.

I did not cross that intersection.
I did look at the Harley.
A guy came out and I asked if there was a place to rent it nearby.
His English was worse than my Spanish so he thought I was trying to rent his bike.
He pushed it into the glass shop to make sure I did not steal it from him.

I left as I realized I was causing trouble and needed to avoid doing more.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Avoid direct eye contact unless necessary.

99% of the street fight start like this.

A: What are you looking at?
B: I'm looking at you. What are you going to do about it?

I'm not going to translate this. But you can see what happened from the facial expression. #^_^#

 

[HighKick]

In sports fighting there is a concept called.

Win your entry.

Win your exit.

And it is designed to make you aware that you are trying to stack the deck in your favor before the fight and as you try to leave.

I am a postman. So I get attacked by dogs a lot. I mitigate this by winning my entry and exit.

So before there is a dog. I will look around and make sure if I am ambushed by a dog I have somewhere to go.

If. By the time I am caught by dogs and getting robbed by gangsters. There is another sports strategy.

You messed up a long time ago.

And they will get my money and my shoes. And I will chalk that up to a life lesson .

When working on fight strategy, we often say "what's you in & out?".

 

[Prince_Alarming]

In general, my street advice is have good cardio, be aware, go to bed early.

Oh, and lift weights. Get strong. 'Self" 'defence' 'skills' are no use to you if the other guy can absorb more punishment than you can possibly dish out.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Oh, and lift weights. Get strong. 'Self" 'defence' 'skills' are no use to you if the other guy can absorb more punishment than you can possibly dish out.

Also, one needs to tough his arms.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

In sports fighting there is a concept called.

Win your entry.

Win your exit.

And it is designed to make you aware that you are trying to stack the deck in your favor before the fight and as you try to leave.

I am a postman. So I get attacked by dogs a lot. I mitigate this by winning my entry and exit.

So before there is a dog. I will look around and make sure if I am ambushed by a dog I have somewhere to go.

If. By the time I am caught by dogs and getting robbed by gangsters. There is another sports strategy.

You messed up a long time ago.

And they will get my money and my shoes. And I will chalk that up to a life lesson .

100%

 

[Anarax]

I think you miss my point. As to the three stabbers, Mambo inflicted all the injuries. Mambo is an extraordinary human. He had a massive physique with incredible strength. His enormous size is the reason they weren’t able to kill him with average sized folding knives. I should mention that he had been shot 3 times previously, burned badly over a third of his body in an electrical accident, and suffered bilateral femoral fractures from a very long fall. He is a somewhat famous personage amongst the old school punk rock crowd. He often went barefoot while bouncing because shoes rarely fit correctly.

You can kill anyone with an average size folding knife, it's a matter of training, not only size.

Did his size and strength play a factor in the outcome? Probably.

Did the assailants lack of training and or deficiency with a blade play a factor in the outcome? Probably.

Would Mambo have walked away with fewer/less severe injuries if he had MMA/FMA/sport training? Probably.

Would he have been killed or more severely injured if the assailants were trained with blades? Probably


Was he 260?

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

See my above posts.

Has anyone anywhere drilled that scenario you just described?

Did your post show the limitations of sports training?

Or all training?

Nobody I’m aware of teaches this, but I don’t keep track. I would think a class drilling for such things is just silly. I don’t see how sports training helps, I can’t out run 3 dogs from a 30 foot start, and seriously doubt anyone without a weapon gets away unscathed…. I certainly DO NOT believe any “self defense” class can prepare you for these types of scenarios. I have treated many dogs for gunshot wounds from pistols, it rarely kills them. We can discuss it as much as people like. It doesn’t make me mad, I’m actually amused by some of these assertions I read here. Everybody here is apparently ready for whatever. Kudos to you warriors out there ready to face dragons and what not. I will toast to your bravery back in the village.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

You can kill anyone with an average size folding knife, it's a matter of training, not only size.

Did his size and strength play a factor in the outcome? Probably.

Did the assailants lack of training and or deficiency with a blade play a factor in the outcome? Probably.

Would Mambo have walked away with fewer/less severe injuries if he had MMA/FMA/sport training? Probably.

Would he have been killed or more severely injured if the assailants were trained with blades? Probably


Was he 260?

Mambo has been shot, stabbed, electrified, burned, etc. He is at least 260-285 or more and extremely thick, built like the Incredible Hulk. Lots of probably there. In the end Mambo destroyed them in seconds. It was over by the time I ran there and climbed the fence separating us. I have a hard time imagining how it would have been any faster, or more violent. Yes these stabbers were not expecting to lose, no, they were not knife fighting professionals. Mambo was an experienced and skilled fighter by anyone’s measure. The three stabbers were in really bad shape within seconds.

 

[drop bear]

Nobody I’m aware of teaches this, but I don’t keep track. I would think a class drilling for such things is just silly. I don’t see how sports training helps, I can’t out run 3 dogs from a 30 foot start, and seriously doubt anyone without a weapon gets away unscathed…. I certainly DO NOT believe any “self defense” class can prepare you for these types of scenarios. I have treated many dogs for gunshot wounds from pistols, it rarely kills them. We can discuss it as much as people like. It doesn’t make me mad, I’m actually amused by some of these assertions I read here. Everybody here is apparently ready for whatever. Kudos to you warriors out there ready to face dragons and what not. I will toast to your bravery back in the village.

It is a very self defence thing. So we start with training against multiple opponents or weapons. And that makes you more street right?

But the reality is you are kind of screwed.,the extra training doesn't really help. Because you are against multiple opponents and weapons.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

It is a very self defence thing. So we start with training against multiple opponents or weapons. And that makes you more street right?

But the reality is you are kind of screwed.,the extra training doesn't really help. Because you are against multiple opponents and weapons.

I'd put it a bit differently ...

Training against multiple opponents and weapons, if done in an appropriate manner and backed by all the other, more general skills and attributes, can improve your odds of surviving against multiple opponents and weapons. But there does come a point at which the odds are so stacked against you that no kind of training will make a difference.

Marc Denny has a video series entitled "Die Less Often." The idea is that he isn't offering any sort of guarantees of being able to survive a weapon attack. But rather that he is offering methods to improve your odds, so that in 100 parallel universes, you survive a potentially survivable attack 50 times out of 100 instead of 15 times our of 10. (Or something like that, he doesn't pretend to offer specific figures or odds.)

I personally feel that training against weapons is most useful in the context of training to use a weapon. If you have an everyday carry weapon, the potential success rate of surviving an initial attack long enough to deploy your own weapon is significantly higher than the odds of overpowering an armed attacker while unarmed. I have trained unarmed vs armed and sometimes had success while sparring unarmed vs armed. But that success primarily comes down to having an overwhelming advantage in fundamental unarmed skills. Teaching beginner/intermediate students unarmed defenses against weapons and setting them to sparring has a pretty abysmal success rate.

 

[marvin8]

Also while I think of it. Blocking is harder and a higher tier skill than say covering or head movement.

Because you have to constantly manage distance.
The UFC fighters who do block are generally really slick strikers. And have really good mobility.

There may be different definitions of a block and covering. So, I may not be understanding. Blocking is a basic defense fundamental. Generally, blocking is done in the pocket. Head movement and controlling the space can be a higher tier. Because, one can start leading and controlling the opponent from a further, safe distance.

Here is a street fight where a boxer knocks down attackers without blocking. He leads/pulls them in by backing up and exits at an angle. Where in this video can you say, per physics, it’s better for him to block first then punch?

You won't see it with the stand toe to toe and trade guys.

When you are toe to toe in the pocket, you need to keep your hands up to block punches…

Yeah. And on the theme of blocking. Long guard probably comes closest to how you actually block punches from someone who can fight.

But it is a pretty advanced method of fighting.

The long guard is useful but it can be countered. An advanced guard is a moving guard not static.

The 2nd one. The guy with almost no training won.

No, Natan Levy the MMA guy won.