Street guys. Please give direct technical answers.

[drop bear]

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Anyway this video is in response to why you don't see blocks in the UFC. (Which you do. )

But instead of discussing that. Or instead of a technical explanation why you might block in your system. It has to walk down the road that MMA is somehow less the street in some vague way that doesn't really make any sense. And how MMA fighters don’t have the grounding in self defence. (Which isn't accurate)

I would suggest if you do self defence. Do yourself a service and explain the reasons you do something in a way that makes you sound like you understand the subject.

And I will give a counter point.

I could ask any decent sports guy why they do something. And I doubt I would get an answer "because the sport" unless they are specifically capitalising on a rule set.

And even then they would probably be specific.

This type of explanation undermines self defence systems.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

Also, let's be honest, if they'd kick your ash in the ring, they would do the same on 'the street'. 'Street' violence isn't difficult- look at some of the people who do it.

 

[HighKick]

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Hopefully the link works.

Anyway this video is in response to why you don't see blocks in the UFC. (Which you do. )

But instead of discussing that. Or instead of a technical explanation why you might block in your system. It has to walk down the road that MMA is somehow less the street in some vague way that doesn't really make any sense. And how MMA fighters don’t have the grounding in self defence. (Which isn't accurate)

I would suggest if you do self defence. Do yourself a service and explain the reasons you do something in a way that makes you sound like you understand the subject.

And I will give a counter point.

I could ask any decent sports guy why they do something. And I doubt I would get an answer "because the sport" unless they are specifically capitalising on a rule set.

And even then they would probably be specific.

This type of explanation undermines self defence systems.

I Fully agree with the video. Is there overlap? Of course. Many of the same tools are used. The defining difference is in the intent. It is Very difficult but teaching someone how to process the moment is critical (or at least getting someone to think about it). Usually, more than the actual technique(s) used.
Both MMA or self-defense can be carnal, but one should ALWAYS be thought of as carnal and Yes, violent. Getting people to come to terms with this and understanding how to process and use the emotion the right way is vital.

 

[Badhabits]

The biggest difference I see between "fighting" (MMA) and "self defense" is priorities. The big one being that in fighting you're willing to take some punishment in order to dish some out. Self defense wise, the priority is to NOT take punishment. That's about the only reason I know why some people say MMA isn't grounded in self defense. One is inherently offensive while the other is inherently defensive. Defensive doesn't mean passive though. If Mrs Badhabits wanted to "learn some self defense" I'm not going to try teaching her to put up a guard and and try to fight it out with a grown man and win. She'd just get killed. Just my amateur 2 cents.

 

[Badhabits]

The way I think about it in self defense terms is- How do I survive against someone I know would kill me in a fight?

 

[drop bear]

Objective.
Delivery system
Risks.

So In any fight (or whatever) these are the things that could change and that you should be aware of.

As an example. I get robbed.

Objective is avoid a fight.
The Delivery system is give them money.
The risk is i get attacked.

A robust martial art should be able to meet a change in these concepts reasonably effectively. A self defence art should address these concepts more in depth.

But a change in these concepts doesn't change excuse your lack of ability to fight people.

So if you put boxing gloves on and eat fists for a three minute round. (Which has absolutely happened to me) You can't say that is because you were training for a different Objective. That in the street there will be so much going on that actually you would do better.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

So if you put boxing gloves on and eat fists for a three minute round. (Which has absolutely happened to me) You can't say that is because you were training for a different Objective. That in the street there will be so much going on that actually you would do better.

Same. I tried boxing once, and the coach said he was impressed- he'd never seen anybody walk into so many punches. I just don't have the reflexes for it.

 

[Badhabits]

Objective.
Delivery system
Risks.

So In any fight (or whatever) these are the things that could change and that you should be aware of.

As an example. I get robbed.

Objective is avoid a fight.
The Delivery system is give them money.
The risk is i get attacked.

A robust martial art should be able to meet a change in these concepts reasonably effectively. A self defence art should address these concepts more in depth.

But a change in these concepts doesn't change excuse your lack of ability to fight people.

So if you put boxing gloves on and eat fists for a three minute round. (Which has absolutely happened to me) You can't say that is because you were training for a different Objective. That in the street there will be so much going on that actually you would do better.

That's all true, but...
A year or so ago a crazy girl here in town decided she wanted to beat the crap out of Mrs Badhabits. Mrs Badhabits isn't a fighter of any sort. She'd get her butt kicked. I didn't spend time trying to teach her how to fight. Would've been a waste and not enough time for that. So we spent time working on a few responses to some things that would likely happen if that girl caught her somewhere. Like the girl grabbing her by the hair and punching her with the other hand. Mrs Badhabits wouldn't beat that girls a$$ either way, but at least she had a few things that would better her chances of not getting the absolute crap kicked out of her. She didn't want to beat up the other girl, she just didn't want to get the caca beat out of her.

 

[drop bear]

Same. I tried boxing once, and the coach said he was impressed- he'd never seen anybody walk into so many punches. I just don't have the reflexes for it.

You can't see punches coming at speed. It is a handy thing to be aware of.

This leads on to another thing I have about training multiple rulesets or cross training.

The more open the ruleset the more you can rely on your strengths to hide your weaknesses.

So if I can't box. I can have some success at doing everything to avoid that situation.

Or I can box. Force myself to be better at that and become a better martial artist. (Look I am separating the reality of just getting good with people's desires and time commitments. And they are two different arguments. If you only like grappling and you only want to train once a week. Then you are going to suck at fighting that involves punches. There is nothing wrong with that. But don't come up with excuses as to why you don't suck because the street)

So training a restrictive rule set is a good thing to do if you want to develop depth.

Anyway. Self defence not only opens up the practical rule set to allow this excuse. But also opens up a hypothetical excuse as well.

Which I don't believe is an honest assessment of your own ability.

 

[drop bear]

Also while I think of it. Blocking is harder and a higher tier skill than say covering or head movement.

Because you have to constantly manage distance.
The UFC fighters who do block are generally really slick strikers. And have really good mobility.

You won't see it with the stand toe to toe and trade guys.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

You can't see punches coming at speed. It is a handy thing to be aware of.

This is why the "long guard" training can give you that advantage. You can use long guard to stop your opponent's punch far away from you. If you put your fist/fists 5 inches away from your opponent's face, you can stop his punch before it can generate full speed.

When a rocket starts to take off, the initial speed is slow.

 

[drop bear]

This is why the "long guard" training can give you that advantage. You can use long guard to stop your opponent's punch far away from you. If you put your fist/fists 5 inches away from your opponent's face, you can stop his punch before it can generate full speed.

When a rocket starts to take off, the initial speed is slow.

Yeah. And on the theme of blocking. Long guard probably comes closest to how you actually block punches from someone who can fight.

But it is a pretty advanced method of fighting.

 

[Fungus]

What I do NOT lear train in my dojo or sparring is

1) de-escalation to avoid a fight
2) if a fight starts, avoid it by running away or backing down - if I did, instructors would yell at me
...
4) train very dangerous but effective techniques, except as bunkai without force

As I see it from self defencese perspective 1 + 2 are first priorities.

If that fails and you end up in (3) fight, you would want to somehoe "finish" with minimum damage both to you and your opponent.

But unlike in sparring, you might end up fighting with someone that is going bananas, really trying to hurt you, or may carry weapons.

In that case hopefuly you can pull some of the skills from (4) even if you didnt train them alot. If someone attacked myt with a knife i would not hesitate to really break their arm or leg to finish it, as I think that would be quite fair from self-defence perspective. But its obviously not somethin we train in sparring with power and speed. Perhaps other MA train this more. Kyokushing doesn't

In a real situation I would be equally concerned with
- getting seriously injured (getting bruised is not something i would worry about)
- seriously injuring someone else and having legal problems to motivate violence

As both would hit back at me afterwards.

 

[drop bear]

De-escalation is a tricky one. Because look. In training. I will either choose to hit you or I won't.

No amount of De-escalation will change that outcome.

So you can drill the bare bones of it. But you can't drill it to get any good at it. Because the feedback is wrong.

Running fights are kind of an oversight. And is a technical street sport difference. But I never see them drilled in self defence gyms either. Because you don't really have the room.

(Interesting thing about running fights is silly moves like flying kicks become more high percentage.)

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Yeah. And on the theme of blocking. Long guard probably comes closest to how you actually block punches from someone who can fight.

But it is a pretty advanced method of fighting.

To change long guard into an elbow strike to the chest is a good strategy. Most of the time, your opponent won't see it.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

What I do NOT lear train in my dojo or sparring is

1) de-escalation to avoid a fight
2) if a fight starts, avoid it by running away or backing down - if I did, instructors would yell at me
...

When someone rapes your wife, will you

- run away (avoid)?
- knee down and beg your opponent not to rape your wife (de-escalation)?
- just a punch on your opponent's face and knock him down (send evil to the hell)?

When people talk about self-defense, they should also consider "to protect your loved one" because escape and de-escalation have no meaning in that situation.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

De-escalation is a tricky one.

- Keep your head down and avoid eyes contact.
- Drop your hands next to your knees and shake your body like a fish.
- Cry with tear and beg for mercy.
- Pee in your pants if you can.

You suddenly jump in and eat your opponent alive.

 

[Anarax]

The majority of the more effective "self-defense techniques" come from martial arts/combat sports. However, the training method is where a lot of the disagreements stems from. Self-defense systems will emphasize situation-based scenarios/common attacks like multiple attackers, confined spaces, surprise attacks, front chokes, haymakers etc. Martial arts/combat sports focus more so on body mechanics, positioning, footwork, technique refinement, sparring, pressure testing, etc. There's value in both methods, but learning fundamental body mechanics, advantageous positioning(striking or grappling), power generation and footwork in martial arts/combat sports are going to be major factors in an altercation's outcome if it's turned physical.

Rokas did a self-defense series on YouTube where he had a pro mma fighter, some traditional martial artist and a few self-defense instructors but through various self-defense scenarios. The pro mma fighter consistently performed better in all of them, the self-defense instructor performed the worse. The fighter's core skills of distance management, footwork, timing and advantageous positioning(striking and grappling) is what got him through all of the scenarios.

 

[drop bear]

The majority of the more effective "self-defense techniques" come from martial arts/combat sports. However, the training method is where a lot of the disagreements stems from. Self-defense systems will emphasize situation-based scenarios/common attacks like multiple attackers, confined spaces, surprise attacks, front chokes, haymakers etc. Martial arts/combat sports focus more so on body mechanics, positioning, footwork, technique refinement, sparring, pressure testing, etc. There's value in both methods, but learning fundamental body mechanics, advantageous positioning(striking or grappling), power generation and footwork in martial arts/combat sports are going to be major factors in an altercation's outcome if it's turned physical.

Rokas did a self-defense series on YouTube where he had a pro mma fighter, some traditional martial artist and a few self-defense instructors but through various self-defense scenarios. The pro mma fighter consistently performed better in all of them, the self-defense instructor performed the worse. The fighter's core skills of distance management, footwork, timing and advantageous positioning(striking and grappling) is what got him through all of the scenarios.

The 2nd one. The guy with almost no training won.

 

[HighKick]

The majority of the more effective "self-defense techniques" come from martial arts/combat sports. However, the training method is where a lot of the disagreements stems from. Self-defense systems will emphasize situation-based scenarios/common attacks like multiple attackers, confined spaces, surprise attacks, front chokes, haymakers etc. Martial arts/combat sports focus more so on body mechanics, positioning, footwork, technique refinement, sparring, pressure testing, etc. There's value in both methods, but learning fundamental body mechanics, advantageous positioning(striking or grappling), power generation and footwork in martial arts/combat sports are going to be major factors in an altercation's outcome if it's turned physical.

Rokas did a self-defense series on YouTube where he had a pro mma fighter, some traditional martial artist and a few self-defense instructors but through various self-defense scenarios. The pro mma fighter consistently performed better in all of them, the self-defense instructor performed the worse. The fighter's core skills of distance management, footwork, timing and advantageous positioning(striking and grappling) is what got him through all of the scenarios.

I fully agree. But how many seasoned MMA fighters are out there compared to annual attacks? Not many.
Long before I had any MA's training or wrestling experience, I grew up 'hard country', the smallest of my brothers and cousins. Believe me when I tell you we learned how to 'fight' pretty young. Learned leverage and angles before I even knew I was doing it, out of necessity. Heck, we would fight for fun but it usually escalated.
But there was SO much I did not know, and was likely not willing to commit to even if I did know it that age/mental maturity.

Hard sparring/MMA/grappling and hard self defense training take things to another level. Since there is a Lot that you just cannot train full speed/power, it can require a heavy mental component.

Remember, even in MMA, when you are on there mat, there are rules.

Before you think it, I am Not advocating some of the hokey self-defense training you see out there.