Stigma Against Women Who Wrestle

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Looking at that picture, I'd say 80s porn star or cop. Since I knew you're a cop, I figure maybe both?

Well, you know, the eighties were....the eighties.

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You have to remember college is full of soft millennial guys.

I don't know if we have wrestlers at unis here, it's not a huge sport countrywide but we have a huge lot of martial arts clubs including MMA in universities here as well as a lot of rugby. sports are very popular at uni especially contact sports as well as the all out warfare that is hockey ( the proper sort, on grass :D)
 
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Huh?If a woman told me that she wrestles I would prolong the conversation
Haha thank you! I don't run into a lot of that though....

You have to remember college is full of soft millennial guys.

Valid point - but not all millennials are like that haha. The majority that I've met, I'd agree with you

They just don't know how to appreciate the oppurtunity :)

And another valid point. I guess most of them just haven't caught up with the ages and still think we can't do contact sports....
 
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guess most of them just haven't caught up with the ages and still think we can't do contact sports....

Few people think that here now, our women's rugby teams are hugely popular, after the London Olympics and Nicola Adams historic gold medal, female boxing is also getting big with matches being shown on mainstream television. We've got more and more women into MMA and as I said, hockey is a hugely physical game when played by women. We've had huge encouragement to get women and girls into sports here, with the 'Girls can' campaign and the 'Women in Sport' organisation. Home - Women In Sport
 

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You have to remember college is full of soft millennial guys.
The same millennials who needed mental counseling, sand and water tables, and therapy dogs because the person they voted for didn't get into office. The same millennials who were too distraught to take exams.

I saw a great thing online a while back. Went something like this...

1944: Facing sure death, a bunch of 18-24 year old men storm the beaches of Normandy. Despite being shot at, having explosions all around them and watching countless fellow troops die, they forge ahead and prevail.

2016: A bunch of 18-24 year old men and women are far too traumatized and distraught to leave their dorm rooms because the person they voted for didn't win. Professors are forced to excuse them from exams, and extra mental health professionals are called in to help them cope with the crisis.

WHAT THE F&@K HAS HAPPENED TO OUR SOCIETY??!!!

Yeah, if it's guys like these, you can do so much better @stingrae.

If a lady I was interested in getting to know better told me she wrestled, it would definitely fast track the falling in love process for me. Especially if she could beat me. So long as she didn't taunt me and call me the P-word in front of her friends and mine afterwards.
 
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And for the record, my friends and I voted for Al Gore when we were in college. Everyone showed up the next day to class and carried on just fine. We said "that sucks" and moved on with our lives. No tears, no therapy dogs, no nothing.
 

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And for the record, my friends and I voted for Al Gore when we were in college. Everyone showed up the next day to class and carried on just fine. We said "that sucks" and moved on with our lives. No tears, no therapy dogs, no nothing.

I'm, by law, not allowed to make disparaging remarks about the POTUS. I've never given a **** about politics anyways though.
 

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2016: A bunch of 18-24 year old men and women are far too traumatized and distraught to leave their dorm rooms because the person they voted for didn't win. Professors are forced to excuse them from exams, and extra mental health professionals are called in to help them cope with the crisis.


However you still have the larger amount of people who join the military, the police forces, who continue the political battling for what they believe in etc. Those 'entitled' ones have always been there, they are just more visible these days with social media and 'reality' television. There's always been those who hide behind their family money, who wimp out when it's time to serve their country in the military, money can buy many things. Poor people do not have the luxury of being wimps. They have to fight everyday.

Young people should be politically aware, should fight for what they believe in, most do. One can accept an election result but still carry on campaigning for what you believe in, making the world better is a young person's job, they have the energy and passion. Most do, it doesn't matter what your political beliefs are, young people should be encouraged, no one should sit and shrug their shoulders when they see injustice, bad political decisions etc. A common response here is 'accept the election vote and shut up', they two things are very different, you accept the decision of the people of course but you also continue fighting for what you think is right. I'd suggest that if you can't continue the fight when things go the wrong way for you then you didn't believe in the fight to start with, it was just a 'fashionable' thing to do. Real people will continue demonstrating, fighting for their cause etc and this is what is needed to ensure democracy not people popping up every election time to do a bit of volunteering to look good but people willing to work when things don't go their way.
 

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Where I live and where I'm from, there's an apparent dislike or stigma against girls who grapple or do mixed martial arts.

Even back in high school when I showed interest in wrestling, I got so many weird looks from my friends for liking that kind of sport of cheerleading or swimming. I was a gymnast for over 10 years, so I get why they'd want me to go cheerleading, but I've always liked the idea of taking someone out using well-placed strikes or a good choke. You wouldn't believe how many friends of mine dropped like flies when I took up kickboxing like y'all saw in the video sample I showed you.

And even in college now, as soon as I mention the fact that I wrestle to a guy, conversation's over...

So why do you think there's a stigma against girls who wrestle? It's the 21st century!

What country are you in? This will help with culture issue.

In the US and British society boxing, kickboxing, mixed martial arts, BJJ, Judo and wrestling so on is very common among girls.
 

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Where I live and where I'm from, there's an apparent dislike or stigma against girls who grapple or do mixed martial arts.

Even back in high school when I showed interest in wrestling, I got so many weird looks from my friends for liking that kind of sport of cheerleading or swimming. I was a gymnast for over 10 years, so I get why they'd want me to go cheerleading, but I've always liked the idea of taking someone out using well-placed strikes or a good choke. You wouldn't believe how many friends of mine dropped like flies when I took up kickboxing like y'all saw in the video sample I showed you.

And even in college now, as soon as I mention the fact that I wrestle to a guy, conversation's over...

So why do you think there's a stigma against girls who wrestle? It's the 21st century!

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Again though that is different from here and Europe, tomboy and girly girl are slang terms not adjectives. Here girly girl is just about synonymous with Essex girl which is not a compliment. This American site instruction girls how to be girly girls is actually pretty vomit inducing. How to Be Girly and More Feminine

I'm sorry I don't understand are you saying there some teaching in US to make girls more feminine and in the UK girls more tomboy.

There many girls in US that would fit that tomboy definition but say there teaching them to be less tomboy?
 

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Also keep in mind doing agricultural society before capitalism doing monarchy females worked on the land and many times even kids had to help the mom and dad work on the land.

Doing the industrial revolution females worked in factories.

Even doing ww2 females worked in factories.

It is just a modern PR saying females before never worked in factories or the land and where very girly.

If you look at history females worked. So this girly girly thing is modern thing the PR invented and many people are buying it.
 

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I'm sorry I don't understand are you saying there some teaching in US to make girls more feminine and in the UK girls more tomboy.

There many girls in US that would fit that tomboy definition but say there teaching them to be less tomboy?

No, I'm not saying that at all. Labelling girls as tomboys would be fine if it didn't have so many negative connotations. Often when people say that they mean these girls don't fit in with many societies accepted definition of what is feminine, that they are somehow less feminine and more masculine which is deemed as 'not a good thing'. It's the definition which like many words that flow between the Atlantic changes about half way through the crossing. 'tomboy' here will get you odd looks because it's more and more accepted that females are females regardless of how they look and behave. There activities don't make them any less female and doesn't make them into wannabe boys. People have said we label people and it's harmless, however when we look at a girl would we label her 'tart', 'slut' or 'prude' based on her clothing? Why then label her as a 'girly girl' or 'tomboy', they are less labels more judgements. Saying we label everyone, judging them has always gone on, is that a reason to accept it? isn't it time to stop judging and labelling women based on their clothing and activities?
The Girly Girl vs. The Tomboy

Tomboy with a Girly Streak - TV Tropes

and in case you think the issue is not important here's an academic study, it makes interesting reading. http://research.gold.ac.uk/3603/2/05_Paechter.11Oct09.pdf
 
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What country are you in? This will help with culture issue.

In the US and British society boxing, kickboxing, mixed martial arts, BJJ, Judo and wrestling so on is very common among girls.
I'm from US haha
 

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You can all think I'm wrong of course, but I work with hundreds of girls and young women, we talk and the old fashioned ideas of what girls should be, how they are described,
so in the old days they were brainwashed and told to be girly girls, and today they are brain washed and told to be social justice warriors and told what is the correct way to think and behave...dosnt look like much has changed ,,, just the agenda from the adults.
 

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so in the old days they were brainwashed and told to be girly girls, and today they are brain washed and told to be social justice warriors and told what is the correct way to think and behave...dosnt look like much has changed ,,, just the agenda from the adults.

No idea what a 'social justice warrior' is supposed to be. No, girls should be brought up to be what they want to be. This is what I and my Guiding sisters campaign for, each girl is unique. We don't tell them what to think and behave, we want them to see the possibilities they have. In countries and we are in many countries we campaign for girls to go to school, for child marriages to be banned and for things like affordable sanitary products and underwear so they can go to school during their periods. We campaign for girls not to be judged by their body shape and the size of their breasts, against body shaming and also against bullying. before you say you don't do any of this remember we are the world's biggest charity for girls with over 10 million members in 145 countries including places that you wouldn't imagine an organisation such as ours existing such as Syrian refugee camps and war zones as well as places where to be female is to be oppressed. We've been doing this for over 100 years.

This is a letter from a Syrian Guide leader, the programmes she talks about are the ones we also do with our girls, one as you see is called 'Free being me'. Girls all around the world are doing this.

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