Steve
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Can someone sum up where we're at? What have we actually figured out? this thread has ranged all over.
Sport vs. Street
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Martial_Kumite
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The problem I see with this is that techies are inspired or influenced by other things. Even Kung Fu as parts where they took inspiration from animals and drunkards.
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You would actually want one of your guys to get doubled team so that you can come around the side to land attacks to the flank. If you keep the formation tight then it will force your opponent to get tighter with their formation. The tight formations would interfere with their ability to attack, the tight formation will also help insure that the double team will occur on the outside. This would allow someone to take the flank and strike without resistance on one of the guys doing the double team.
Fighting 1 vs 1 can take on sports fighting 5 vs 5 you can start using old military tactics.
You missed the point of CB's post, I think. He didn't say "de-escalate until they kill you". He said de-escalation was the best option until it wasn't an option. You are listing situations where it is likely not an option, and that's something we all recognize happens.
Strawman much? Go back and point out to me where I said anything ever remotely close to that. Go ahead. I'll wait.
Again, you give no point to back up a trolling statement. The technique appears in both arts. To a Judo player, it's a Judo throw. To me, it's an NGA throw, and so on to each art. It is, in fact, all of those. You claiming it's ignorant doesn't change the reality.
Now, if you care to support your statement with something beyond insults, I'm happy to understand where you're coming from. Otherwise, you're just trollin'.
And nobody here said they would. Someone referred to a TKD kick, which everyone here (yourself included, though you pretend otherwise) understands to mean a kick from the repertoire within TKD.
Steve
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hey. Well. At least we can all agree on the meaning of snowflake.
And that there are at least ten techniques one could have in mind when saying "tkd kick."
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I already listed all ten.
With their Korean names, some of them might bee, but I doubt it. Is that the beef, that someone called those kicks TKD kicks when Hapkido, Tang Soo Do, Hwarang Do, etc to name some KMA and I expect several are used in Savate, some in Karate etc... all use similar kicks?
So... Nomenclature offends you? Really? "A rose by any other name" and all that. Sheesh, you wasted all these people's life minutes with that? No wonder nobody was understanding what you were objecting to. I agree with you, giving something a style name before the technique name does not make it original, or the property of that stye. There you go. As I said, I figured I'd agree with the concept... but I'm surprised you feel so strongly about it.
And as I figured, agreed here again. The more you do a thing, the mo betta ya get at it. However, you can't just leap from that to the premise of your O/P, as it sidesteps the issue of the street Not being "the same" as sport training. Skills may cross genere, sure, but the environment and lack of rule can change things a lot.
And Steve said, "Snowflakes is a reference to everyone wanting to be special and unique." And we got that explanatory origin reference from Fight Club.
No, it's actually a common usage. If I suggest there are Judo throws that can accomplish what someone asks about, nobody is confused about what that means.
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FriedRice
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I've fought like this in gang rumbles before, on a field when I was young. We were very aware and cautious of getting jumped from behind. But it does happen....also it was more than 5 on 5, so very chaotic. And we were just dumb kids, w/o any training other than street Boxing and watching movies.
I also spar 1 on 2 and 1 on 3 at this one Krav Maga gym, but only at medium power. With training and sparring vs. these Krav Cats, my skills have increased quite significantly....and I don't spar that much with them. Now imagine these guys, who specifically train for this as their freakin', organized sport. I bet that their awareness is of getting suckeredpunch is way above my level.
Something tells me that they know this also but elect to go 1-1 because it's too much of a risk doing what you suggest. The fight that I posted on post #1, only lasted 44 seconds? And this was 1-1 X 5. Once you lose a teammate through KO or even tapout, it's game over when the extra guy gangs up on 2-1. It seems too easy to KO your 1 guy, 2-1. They're not going to be dummies and let your 1 guy hang back and sneak up on them easily. By then, your 1 on 2, is probably KO'ed and now that 1 that hung back, is dealing vs. 2.
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FriedRice
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Well I wasn't disagreeing completely with him. I just said that it depends on one's environment. If I were in a wealthy area, I'd call the cops and get names of the witnesses. In the inner cities, it's more often than not that you should fight to earn and gain respect. If some dude grabbed my girl's boob and I let that go, then I would be made a B.
Actually, I have. You see, I don't teach Judo. But every now and then, I teach them a throw I learned in Judo, and I might tell them, "Here's a Judo throw that works nicely with what we've been working on."
You aren't listening at all, are you?
