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Rickson Gracie Street (beach) fight
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Always a good find Andrew! Thanks.
FearlessFreep
Senior Master
What the....?
OK, a guy insults the Gracie family so one of them hits the guy and challenges him to a fight and then eventually gets to pounding him until he admits that BJJ is the best MA?
"My Kung-Fu rules your Kung-Fu.." sounds like a bad movie
OK, a guy insults the Gracie family so one of them hits the guy and challenges him to a fight and then eventually gets to pounding him until he admits that BJJ is the best MA?
"My Kung-Fu rules your Kung-Fu.." sounds like a bad movie
No disresepct meant to the Gracie Family the practitioners or those who study or pratice other BJJ arts, but in some of the place I worked, if a fight like that ended up on the ground, half the crowd would have been trying to kick one while the other half would be trying to kick the other. The end result in a street fight is much different from my experience.
Maybe this has to do with culture and the fact that in the Brazilian culture if two wanted to settle an arguement then they would be allowed to settle it. Where as in some of the place I have been in my life, they have no such opinion/honor/beliefs for if they can stomp you they would.
Once again no disrespect to the great athletes, and those who practice BJJ or the Gracie Family. Just a different point of view from a different experience.
Maybe this has to do with culture and the fact that in the Brazilian culture if two wanted to settle an arguement then they would be allowed to settle it. Where as in some of the place I have been in my life, they have no such opinion/honor/beliefs for if they can stomp you they would.
Once again no disrespect to the great athletes, and those who practice BJJ or the Gracie Family. Just a different point of view from a different experience.
Andrew,
I would have to think yes, as I stated above.
Note: I did not say the techniques did not work. I did not say anything negative, only expressed a different point of view of such a fight going to the ground.
Thank you
Ybot
Blue Belt
You also have to take this video in the context in which it is presented. This is taken from the biggest piece of Gracie propaganda out there, the videos titled "Gracies In Action". These are the videos put out by Rorian Gracie before the Ultimate Fighting Championships. They were used as a recruting tool for his Jiu-jitsu before anyone had ever heard of BJJ. IMO the best way to watch these is with the sound off (because there is a lot of intresting footage), and to take what you can from the actual video.
Okay, that being said, I have to believe there is more to this particular fight than "he insulted the Gracie Family..." My understanding is the other man in the fight is Luta Libre's Hugo Duarte. At this time in Brazil there was a huge rivialry between the Luta Libre guys and the BJJ guys. There were school invasions where top practitioners of either side would go into the others schools and challege, or there where confrontations (like this one) between practitioners in public places.
Okay, that being said, I have to believe there is more to this particular fight than "he insulted the Gracie Family..." My understanding is the other man in the fight is Luta Libre's Hugo Duarte. At this time in Brazil there was a huge rivialry between the Luta Libre guys and the BJJ guys. There were school invasions where top practitioners of either side would go into the others schools and challege, or there where confrontations (like this one) between practitioners in public places.
Kembudo-Kai Kempoka
Senior Master
My understanding -- and it's been years since I was with the "in" crowd on this stuff -- is that Hugo unecessarily injured a GJJ-camp member in either a competition or training session (i.e., school-mat challenge), and was bragging to the press that it was easy, and that all the Gracies were wussies. Rickson would have waited for an in-ring opportunity, were it not for the absolute beating Duarte gave to the GJJ guy, followed by the boasting. Ricksons actions hade more to do with embarrassing a bully and predator in public, than with badmouthing the Gracie name. But that part -- about a Gracie-camp member taking an unpleasant beating -- doesn't play well for either side in the press, and gets left out often.
I could be wrong, because it's been over 15 years. But I seem to have an odd recollection of something to this effect hiding in the context.
Regards,
Dave
Dave,
This possible address one or more of the questions I was not sure how to phrase.
Why was this being taped in the first place?
How did they know to contact the guy to get a copy?
What was said? Maybe it was the Gracie who picked the fight verbally?
Yet if it was to teach a bully a lesson that answers a lot.
Thanks
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Do you all think that the fight was more of evryone knowing who the participants were, and their status as fighters? If so, The culture is the same. When the 2 recognized, tough guys on the block square off, no one interferes, instead, just as in this video, They just watch and cheer. Kind of like who's the fastest draw, between two well known gun fighters.
Ybot
Blue Belt
Yeah, that is what I believe. Duarte was a hugh name in the one camp Rickson in the other.
Also, thanks for the info Dave. I didn't know the particulars, but the way Rorian narrorates it it sounds rediculous. I knew of the rivalry, and figured that it was some particular incident that set off this confrontation.
Kembudo-Kai Kempoka
Senior Master
Knowing the culture of fanism, likely someone rolling film anyway went up afterwards to say they got it on tape; would you like a copy.
bushi jon
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Okay I am going to be the sour note. Two wrong do not make a right
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But it makes it even.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
FearlessFreep
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The Gracies have long built their reputation on their open challenges going back decades to Helio and Carlos. They try to have a video camera around so that the people who take them up on it can't go change their story and claim to have won. Also, Rickson is a pretty well known guy, and the person filming may well have recognized him without being part of the Gracie camp himself.
