Reverse Edge Grip?
- Thread starter SFC JeffJ
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Hey Jeff,
We practice this a little bit. It is excellent for trapping and works great for Downward strikes as well. It is even better for sentry removal techniques. Personally if I had a choice in blade then I would have a double edge fixed knife that would allow me to do this.
Pekiti Tirsia is known for reverse grip, blade backward techniques. I have become more and more convinced every time I speak with someone who takes this appraoch, including at a recent Dekiti Tirsia Siradas seminar. See for example:
http://www.fmatalk.com/showthread.php?t=356
http://www.fmatalk.com/showthread.php?t=599
http://www.fmatalk.com/showthread.php?t=356
http://www.fmatalk.com/showthread.php?t=599
Having it pointed backwards definately has some structural advantages. For one we are stronger when pulling in with our arms rather than pushing away. This definately helps in the trapping or downward striking motions. ie. it is easier to pull someone in rather than to push them away. This same type of action plays very strong in sentry removal techniques as well.
However, if I do not have a double bladed fixed knife then I will generally have the blade out and only switch it if needed. Both are good but the blade backwards does have some nice advantages that you can exploit if needed.
However, if I do not have a double bladed fixed knife then I will generally have the blade out and only switch it if needed. Both are good but the blade backwards does have some nice advantages that you can exploit if needed.
OP
OP
Just playing with my trainers, I'm finding it pretty easy to swith from the standard reverse grip to the reversed edge. It's become one of those "why the hell didn't I think of that" things to me. Especially as it fits in great with the jujitsu I do.
As far as sentry neutralization, I'm still a big fan of the good old kidney, so I'll stick with a regular grip for that, not that I'll be doing that anytime soon!
Jeff
As far as sentry neutralization, I'm still a big fan of the good old kidney, so I'll stick with a regular grip for that, not that I'll be doing that anytime soon!
Jeff
Yes not alot of need for that! The kidney strike is another excellent tool for that as well.
Yes, that is the Filipino term for Reverse Grip edge in! I do not use Filipino terms but that is it.
From what I understand - pakal is connoted to edge in within the MA community, but the word can mean either.
there's a rather brutal description of a pakal/reverse edge in method here
http://www.shivworks.com/PSP/An Expression of Pikal.pdf
there's a rather brutal description of a pakal/reverse edge in method here
http://www.shivworks.com/PSP/An Expression of Pikal.pdf
I have seen it used both ways on multiple occasions. I have also been in on a conversation where the instructor said that it specifically refers to edge in.
My personal belief is that it is safe to say that you can use it both ways.
KenpoTex
Senior Master
I train to use this method (and it's "sister" technique forward-grip, edge-in) almost exclusively (though I also like the standard "sabre" grip). I like it because your attack strikes are basically just hammerfists. As a result, it ties in well with empty hand and short impact weapon technique. I also really like the ability to hook and shear with the return stroke. The only drawback I can see is that the method doesn't lend itself very well to "duelling" or sparring. If I was facing someone who was also armed with a knife I'd probably go with sabre grip.
I can understand this from the viewpoint of personal comfort and opinion, which I respect. However, I have seen some "nasty" fighting techniques from the pakal position.
For Arnis/Kali practitioners, imagine the "rolling elbows" or downward trapping hands with the pakal grip as the lead....
You don't see this very often with a knife--more so with a longer blade.
KenpoTex
Senior Master
I don't doubt that there are techniques out there and people that can use them effectively in knife-on-knife situations. I guess I should have said "In my [limited] experience..."
I know there are techniques of this nature for longer bowie-style knives (back-cut). Is this what you're talking about?arnisador said:
This type of method was what I was referring to http://www.shivworks.com/PSP/ECQ knife work.pdf
Here's a knife that I carry that's specifically designed for this type of close-quarters, trapping/grappling work. As you can see, it's only sharpened on the top, or back edge. With the way I carry it, it can be accessed with a minimum of motion.
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KenpoTex
Senior Master
It's actually a Shadowdancer made by Marc Goldsworthy It's similar in design/size to the Shivworks ClinchPick
