Protecting others

[Cryozombie]

How many of you have practiced using your skills to help/protect someone else? Like a 3rd party being attacked and you "save" them?

I heard that Jack Hoban trains this, or has trained it in the past, and was wondering who works on it.
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[Cryozombie]

Oh, also, what about multiple attacker scenario's where its YOU and a FRIEND against someone, working together to fight? Do you ever train that as well?
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[Grey Eyed Bandit]

Trained with Mariette van der Vliet last year and she had an interesting drill in which you were ambushed by a knife-wielder whilst walking along with your ladyfriend, you were supposed to quickly push her out of harm's way and then take the attacker down.

Remember a couple of times back in the day when we used to have an old couch in the dojo...we put it on the mat and then had two guys hide behind it with rubber shuriken. At a given signal, they were supposed to jump out and throw them at the people who were pointing airsoft pistols at them, all the while trying not to hit any unarmed "civilians" in the process. Of course, different people held the guns every time.

 

[Rich Parsons]

The US Military does a good job of this. They teach both the Chaplain and their assistant, I believe called a RP.

They train both parties in this.

The big thing about protecting someone, is that if they do not take direction or follow orders no matter of rank, they are not helping you but hindering you.

 

[Kreth]

These all sound like good drills. A twist, when working as a bouncer and "escorting" someone out of the bar after breaking up a fight, I often had to "protect" them from friends of the guy they were fighting with, to avoid yet another brawl.

 

[Dale Seago]

Yes to both your posts, Technopunk -- have also done it for real, as have some of my students.

Hatsumi sensei gets into these kinds of applications as well.

I remember at Daikomyosai training a few years ago, we were working on ideas from some waza involving being attacked by someone with a tanto or wakizashi while unarmed. After a while, Soke changed the scenario to one requiring people to use its concepts to protect someone else who was being attacked.

I happened to be training almost right beside Moti Nativ from Israel, and at one point Soke spotted him and made a beeline straight through the crowd to him. He looked at him and said in English, with what I can only describe as incredible intensity, "This feeling, SO important!!!"

 

[Cryozombie]

After a while, Soke changed the scenario to one requiring people to use its concepts to protect someone else who was being attacked.

I happened to be training almost right beside Moti Nativ from Israel, and at one point Soke spotted him and made a beeline straight through the crowd to him. He looked at him and said in English, with what I can only describe as incredible intensity, "This feeling, SO important!!!"

Hmm... can you elaborate at all?

 

[Bigshadow]

How many of you have practiced using your skills to help/protect someone else? Like a 3rd party being attacked and you "save" them?

I heard that Jack Hoban trains this, or has trained it in the past, and was wondering who works on it.
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We have done this... To me it seems very difficult. Mainly because we are so used to applying what we know with ourselves being the origin and thing radiate outwards, rather than us directing ourselves from the outside. At least that is how it "felt" to me the last time I did that, although my description sucks.

 

[Bigshadow]

Trained with Mariette van der Vliet last year and she had an interesting drill in which you were ambushed by a knife-wielder whilst walking along with your ladyfriend, you were supposed to quickly push her out of harm's way and then take the attacker down.

Some of ours were similar in scenario. In principle we did the same, but it seemed to me to be more like moving myself so that I exchange places with the victim so that I become tori. I would like to work more on these things, we only did this a few times. Maybe I will mention it to my instructor.

 

[Cryozombie]

What about working on being "taken hostage".

For example, a conflict situation with an armed opponent, holding you, with a knife to your throat, or gun or whatever... like what could happen durring teh course of a robbery or home invasion, etc... i.e. not just being attacked or threatened, but being used, say as a sheild, or threat of intimidation to a third party?

 

[Bigshadow]

What about working on being "taken hostage".

For example, a conflict situation with an armed opponent, holding you, with a knife to your throat, or gun or whatever... like what could happen durring teh course of a robbery or home invasion, etc... i.e. not just being attacked or threatened, but being used, say as a sheild, or threat of intimidation to a third party?

I think that if the gun or knife is directed at me it is me and the bad person (typical sight picture, for a lack of better term). However, if they threaten another person (a loved one, friend, etc), it takes on a whole new set of dynamics. It seems to me with what little I have done this type of training, that the hardest thing is putting yourself in the right place to start it off (getting the opening or changing the shape of the attack). I think this is important, as this puts the attackers in the position of playing catch up (reacting). I am pretty sure it goes back to the acute (certainly not me) understanding of timing and distance and acting (not reacting). From there it is too difficult to try and explain, but it would be much easier to try and work through it physically. I do remember that every action must affect the attacker(s), otherwise you are playing catch up (reacting). This also relates to the OODA loop in the mind, or what I call Chaos of the Mind. Doing things in such a way that the attackers remain in their OODA loop.

OK, I will stop my rambling nonsense. Maybe someone with MUCH more experience will chime in. This has been my rambling opinions based on where I am presently at in my training.

 

[Dale Seago]

Hmm... can you elaborate at all?

I suspect that at least in part he was getting at the literal meaning of the kanji for "bu" in bushi, budo, bujutsu, etc. as having to do with stopping violence and conflict. In subsequent remarks to the entire assembly he was talking about this kind of thing in our training being "important for world peace".

 

[Cryozombie]

I suspect that at least in part he was getting at the literal meaning of the kanji for "bu" in bushi, budo, bujutsu, etc. as having to do with stopping violence and conflict. In subsequent remarks to the entire assembly he was talking about this kind of thing in our training being "important for world peace".

Hmm. Interesting.