Proposed bill to abolish income tax
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michaeledward
Grandmaster
Thank your higher power, we now have grown ups in charge of Congress.
Representative Paul (R-TX) has been serving the proud people from the Lone Star State since 1996.
Co-Sponsor Representative Miller (R-FL) has been serving the fine people from Florida since 2000.
Why didn't these gentlement introduce this legislation when the Republican Party controlled both Houses of Congress?
Never mind, that the bill is for a Constitutional Amendment, which requires super-majorities in both Houses of Congress, a Presidential signature, and then must pass in at least 74 State legislative bodies.
Do the words 'Snowball' and 'Hell' mean anything to these guys?
At least they only thing they are wasting is some ink and paper.
Representative Paul (R-TX) has been serving the proud people from the Lone Star State since 1996.
Co-Sponsor Representative Miller (R-FL) has been serving the fine people from Florida since 2000.
Why didn't these gentlement introduce this legislation when the Republican Party controlled both Houses of Congress?
Never mind, that the bill is for a Constitutional Amendment, which requires super-majorities in both Houses of Congress, a Presidential signature, and then must pass in at least 74 State legislative bodies.
Do the words 'Snowball' and 'Hell' mean anything to these guys?
At least they only thing they are wasting is some ink and paper.
michaeledward
Grandmaster
This guy thinks so, too. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244759,00.html
He seems most recently to be asking people to send money, food, guns and body armor.
It seems that his wife earned most of the family's money. Why doesn't that surprise me. She is busy negotiating a plea agreement with Federal officers.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ar...tax_charges_resists_barricades_self_in_house/
FearlessFreep
Senior Master
Thank your higher power, we now have grown ups in charge of Congress.
No, just a different set of children
No, just a different set of children
Josh
Blue Belt
It's not really about "thinking so too" I think it was a legit question. And it's not just that guy, many people, lawyers, and organizations have been trying to figure out exactally why we pay federal income tax. Read up on the Federal Reserve sometime. The entire tax system is shady, IMO.
The system may be shady, but Taxes are a part of life, and a necessary part.
Otherwise you have to eliminate the government, which means no pubic works, no military, no public education, no police, no fire dept.
Everyone always wants tax cuts and increased spending, but eventually, things have to be paid for. Which basically translates to those taxes coming back, with interest at some point. It might be direct, it might be indirect (currency being worth less and less) but eventually, all those things the goverment does have to get paid for by someone.
Otherwise you have to eliminate the government, which means no pubic works, no military, no public education, no police, no fire dept.
Everyone always wants tax cuts and increased spending, but eventually, things have to be paid for. Which basically translates to those taxes coming back, with interest at some point. It might be direct, it might be indirect (currency being worth less and less) but eventually, all those things the goverment does have to get paid for by someone.
Josh
Blue Belt
I'm not saying that we shouldn't pay taxes. I just think the government should be more transparent on the laws themselves and where exactly our money is going.
http://www.originalintent.org/edu/consttax.php << I found that quite informational
http://www.originalintent.org/edu/consttax.php << I found that quite informational
dragonswordkata
Blue Belt
I don't really know too much about the Income tax and it's inception, but I do agree with it in principle. There are some programs, I feel, only the gov can administer.
We all hope that Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid will be here for us. I know I like the National Parks, BLM and Forest Service for all their many warts and would hate to have private corps in charge of public assets. Ok, i'll climb of the rant soap box lol
We all hope that Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid will be here for us. I know I like the National Parks, BLM and Forest Service for all their many warts and would hate to have private corps in charge of public assets. Ok, i'll climb of the rant soap box lol
Josh
Blue Belt
I could not agree more. I think the difference between a republican and a democrat on these issues especially is small to none.
Josh
Blue Belt
Yeah, I was not questioning it in principle, but in practice. A lot of things sound like a good idea, and taxes are needed IMO. I just think it's very important to know exactly what/how much money the gov. is spending. Some might argue for example, that if we put more of our tax money into education rather than war, we might be a little better off. I agree with you for the most part though.
and ps.,,. stay on the rant soapbox!! haha its good to hear different points of view.
I don't have a problem with taxes, but I think we are overtaxed. I mean, I look at it like this...
I work hard to earn money, and lose a percent in taxes, this is of course, above the taxes ALREADY PAID ON THAT MONEY by my company. I take the share I get home, and use it to pay my Heating Gas, which, in addition to the gas cost, I pay a regulatory tax on, oh, and the same on my electric and my cable and phone. (4 more taxes) To get back to work, I buy fuel gas, and pay a gas tax, then I stop and get groceries and pay a sales tax. To unwind at the end of the day I buy some beer and pay sin tax, and rent a movie from Blockbuster where I have to pay entertainment tax. On top of all those taxes I gotta pay my village a tax for my car to park in the village (even in my own driveway) a tax for having my dogs (each one) an extra tax because my licence is a motorcycle licence, a tax on the licenceplate on my car, and on my bike... and, honestly, Im sure I am missing a lot of other taxes in there. And then heaven forbid someone gifts me some money, or my company gives me a bonus... I lose almost 50% of THAT in taxes...
Its a LOT of taxes.
I work hard to earn money, and lose a percent in taxes, this is of course, above the taxes ALREADY PAID ON THAT MONEY by my company. I take the share I get home, and use it to pay my Heating Gas, which, in addition to the gas cost, I pay a regulatory tax on, oh, and the same on my electric and my cable and phone. (4 more taxes) To get back to work, I buy fuel gas, and pay a gas tax, then I stop and get groceries and pay a sales tax. To unwind at the end of the day I buy some beer and pay sin tax, and rent a movie from Blockbuster where I have to pay entertainment tax. On top of all those taxes I gotta pay my village a tax for my car to park in the village (even in my own driveway) a tax for having my dogs (each one) an extra tax because my licence is a motorcycle licence, a tax on the licenceplate on my car, and on my bike... and, honestly, Im sure I am missing a lot of other taxes in there. And then heaven forbid someone gifts me some money, or my company gives me a bonus... I lose almost 50% of THAT in taxes...
Its a LOT of taxes.
dragonswordkata
Blue Belt
Good points all! In a nut shell I believe most of those taxes you mentioned could be reduced or eliminated with a truely graduated income tax. A tax where the rich folk and corperations pay a vast percentage of the taxes and the general population pay a smaller share. I don't mean tax the rich to nothing, they should gain from thier work, but the folks that get/gain the most from society should pay the lions share.
Josh
Blue Belt
I would guess that that is at least partially for public acceptance. If instead the government said they where going to eliminate all forms of taxation, except income tax which was going to increase considerably, basically consolodating it all into one, I would bet that there would be a lot more complaints about how much we get taxed, even if it worked out to being less.
The only way to really cut taxes is to cut spending. In my mind that is "conservative."
The only way to really cut taxes is to cut spending. In my mind that is "conservative."
Josh
Blue Belt
another good point. I think we could cut spending a lot without cutting services. We pay for a lot of gov. waste. Corporate welfare for example. Not to get off subject, but IMO, spending literally billions of dollars a day to fight a war that has been proven a failure would to me, be considered gov wasting tax dollars. I think it's interesting that we have BILLIONS for military weapons, but we cannot get current text books in the public schools without bake sales.
From Wikipedia:
United States
Main article: Income tax in the United States
The United States imposes an income tax on individuals and corporations. This tax is levied from the happening of an event, such as the payment of a wage or the purchase of property - the appreciation on the value of property, for example, is not taxed until that property is sold. The U.S. income tax was first proposed during the War of 1812, but was defeated.[3] In July 1861, the Congress passed a 3% tax on all net income above $600 a year (about $10,000 today). Income taxes were enacted at various times until 1894, but were not imposed after 1895 until the 16th Amendment was ratified in 1913.[3] Ratification has been unsuccessfully disputed by some tax protestors who have also made other arguments about the validity of the U.S. income tax (see Tax protester arguments).
United States
Main article: Income tax in the United States
The United States imposes an income tax on individuals and corporations. This tax is levied from the happening of an event, such as the payment of a wage or the purchase of property - the appreciation on the value of property, for example, is not taxed until that property is sold. The U.S. income tax was first proposed during the War of 1812, but was defeated.[3] In July 1861, the Congress passed a 3% tax on all net income above $600 a year (about $10,000 today). Income taxes were enacted at various times until 1894, but were not imposed after 1895 until the 16th Amendment was ratified in 1913.[3] Ratification has been unsuccessfully disputed by some tax protestors who have also made other arguments about the validity of the U.S. income tax (see Tax protester arguments).
Amazon
Green Belt
They already do. Even if the income tax were a flat percentage - say 25% - 25% of $1,000,000 is still a lot more than 25% of $50,000. But even outside of that, there is a graduated percentage for each bracket.
Someone making over $200,000/year is often paying $.60-$.75 in taxes for every dollar, where as someone making $45,000 is paying a good deal less.
Over 50% of total governmental tax income is paid by the top 5% of wage earners.
Over 35% is paid by the top 1%
That would be correct! There is no law that states the citizens must pay a federal income tax.
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