http://martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10301
P Phil Elmore Master of Arts Joined Mar 30, 2002 Messages 1,514 Reaction score 54 Sep 17, 2003 #1 http://martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10301
A arnisador Sr. Grandmaster MTS Alumni Joined Aug 28, 2001 Messages 44,569 Reaction score 448 Location Terre Haute, IN Sep 17, 2003 #2 Definitely a useful reminder.