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Kacey

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I generally don't post in this sub-forum - however, I can't think of a more appropriate place to post the following analogy, which I received from another teacher. If education is the least bit important to you, please consider this when considering which candidates to vote for in the upcoming elections, and when considering whether or not to support changes in local, state, and federal education laws.

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[SIZE=-0]My dentist is great! He sends me reminders so I don't forget checkups. He uses the latest techniques based on research. He never hurts me, and I've got all my teeth.

When I ran into him the other day, I was eager to see if he'd heard about the new state program. I knew he'd think it was great.

"Did you hear about the new state program to measure effectiveness of dentists with their young patients?" I said.

"No," he said. He didn't seem too thrilled. "How will they do that?"

"It's quite simple," I said. "They will just count the number of cavities each patient has at age 10, 14, and 18 and average that to determine a dentist's rating. Dentists will be rated as excellent, good, average, below average, and unsatisfactory. That way parents will know which are the best dentists. The plan will also encourage the less effective dentists to get better," I said. "Poor dentists who don't improve could lose their licenses to practice."

"That's terrible," he said.

"What? That's not a good attitude," I said. "Don't you think we should try to improve children's dental health in this state?"

"Sure I do," he said, "but that's not a fair way to determine who is practicing good dentistry."

"Why not?" I said. "It makes perfect sense to me."

"Well, it's so obvious," he said. "Don't you see that dentists don't all work with the same clientele, and that much depends on things we can't control? For example, I work in a rural area with a high percentage of patients from deprived homes, while some of my colleagues work in upper middle-class neighborhoods. Many of the parents I work with don't bring their children to see me until there is some kind of problem, and I don't get to do much preventive work. Also, many of the parents I serve let their kids eat way too much candy from an early age, unlike more educated parents who understand the relationship between sugar and decay. To top it all off, so many of my clients have well water which is untreated and has no fluoride in it. Do you have any idea how much difference early use of fluoride can make?"

"It sounds like you're making excuses," I said. "I can't believe that you, my dentist, would be so defensive. After all, you do a great job, and you needn't fear a little accountability."

"I am not being defensive!" he said. "My best patients are as good as anyone's, my work is as good as anyone's, but my average cavity count is going to be higher than a lot of other dentists because I chose to work where I am needed most."

"Don't' get touchy," I said.

"Touchy?" he said. His face had turned red, and from the way he was clenching and unclenching his jaws, I was afraid he was going to damage his teeth. "Try furious! In a system like this, I will end up being rated average, below average, or worse. The few educated patients I have who see these ratings may believe this so-called rating is an actual measure of my ability and proficiency as a dentist. They may leave me, and I'll be left with only the most needy patients. And my cavity average score will get even worse. On top of that, how will I attract good dental hygienists and other excellent dentists to my practice if it is labeled below average?"

"I think you are overreacting," I said. "'Complaining, excuse-
making and stonewalling won't improve dental health'... I am quoting from a leading member of the DOC," I noted.

"What's the DOC?" he asked.

"It's the Dental Oversight Committee," I said,"a group made up of mostly lay persons to make sure dentistry in this state gets improved."

"Spare me," he said, "I can't believe this. Reasonable people won't buy it," he said hopefully.

The program sounded reasonable to me, so I asked, "How else would you measure good dentistry?"

"Come watch me work," he said. "Observe my processes."

"That's too complicated, expensive and time- consuming," I said.
"Cavities are the bottom line, and you can't argue with the bottom line. It's an absolute measure."

"That's what I'm afraid my parents and prospective patients will
think . This can't be happening," he said despairingly.

"Now, now," I said, "don't despair. The state will help you some."

"How?" he asked.

"If you receive a poor rating, they'll send a dentist who is rated
excellent to help straighten you out," I said brightly.

"You mean," he said, "they'll send a dentist with a wealthy clientele to show me how to work on severe juvenile dental problems with which I have probably had much more experience? BIG HELP!"

"There you go again," I said. "You aren't acting professionally at
all."

"You don't get it," he said. "Doing this would be like grading schools and teachers on an average score made on a test of children's progress with no regard to influences outside the school, the home, the community served and stuff like that. Why would they do something so unfair to dentists? No one would ever think of doing that to schools."

I just shook my head sadly, but he had brightened. "I'm going to write my representatives and senators," he said. "I'll use the school analogy. Surely they will see the point."

He walked off with that look of hope mixed with fear and suppressed anger that I, a teacher, see in the mirror so often lately.


If you don't understand why educators resent the recent federal NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT, this may help. If you do understand, you'll enjoy this analogy, which was forwarded by John S. Taylor, Superintendent of Schools for the Lancaster County, PA, School District.
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Which candidates are offering any plans that will actually change this?
 

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Well, how about one of those fancy youtube links to see what My Man Barack "The Solution" Obama! says about it? I think I can find one around here somewhere....

Oh, yes, here's one:

 
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In general, the Democratic candidates are at least admitting that something needs to change to greater or lesser degree; the Republican candidates continue to claim that the problem is that teachers don't want to be held accountable.

Not that Time Magazine is the best source for much - but here's their recent breakdown on the candidates' stand on education.
 

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Yes, you see, The Democratic Party is the Party of good education. This is very clear, as you can see. Also, Hillary Clinton is very good, and you can have "two for one" because Bill will also be around to help out, BUT, we must remember this:

The Popular Vote must not be disrespected! If Barack Obama wins the popular vote, then he should be given the nomination. The super delegates should NOT override this. This shows disrespect to the Party Members!

And, also, consider that Barack Obama is what is called "The Total Package". He brings much to the table, and will inspire us with good speeches! He will stir the People to good action, and restore in us the resolve to do good things!!! He has that charisma! That is why I suppose that He will be a Good Leader!
 

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you are being sarcastic, right?
Why would you say that? Have you listened to one of this guy's speeches? He reaches into your guts and stirs them! Who else can make us PUSH forward?

He is also newer to politics than the other candidates. He has not yet made so many deals, and so is not bogged down with favours to be repaid! I'm telling you, this guy Obama is the best candidate that is in the running (that has a chance now).

Of course, Ron Paul would have been the Grand Ultimate, but he is out of it. And Nader, he would just get shot, because he would cause too much trouble for the fat cats, and they would shoot him.
 

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oh, he is a GREAT speaker. Best speeches since Reagan, hands down. In that respect, he is alot like former President Clinton. Great at talking, bad at doing.

He is also un-electable

Even before the Rev Wright story, he had no real chance. His resume is too short (though longer than Hillary's) and his track record is all far left voting. Too far left to be appealing to the mainstream.But now? no way no how.

Plus, yeah, he talks alot about hope and change, but never really gives any details about HOW he will change things.

That stuff doesnt really matter in the primaries, but in the general election? he will beaten badly

And the Rev Wright stuff just shredded his last chances.


I like the guy, and you are right, people respond to him. But the negatives are strong on him.
 

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