Pat Tillman

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It seems to me that certain military units kill more of themselves and thier allies that the enemy does, and they call this "friendly fire".
Can you think of anything less friendly that being shot by your own side?

From MSN today.

FORT BRAGG, N.C. -- The shots that killed Pat Tillman, the football player who became a patriotic icon by giving up a $3.6 million contract to become an Army Ranger, probably came from his fellow soldiers, military officials said Saturdahttp://log.go.com/log?srvc=sz&a=1&d...id=EA94173F-0612-4220-BADC-D62230DFC23E&goto=



According to an Army investigation, Tillman was shot to death on April 22 after a U.S. soldier mistakenly fired on a friendly Afghan soldier in Tillman's unit, and other U.S. soldiers then fired in the same direction.

Initial reports by the Army had suggested that Tillman was killed by enemy gunfire when he led his team to help another group of ambushed soldiers.

"While there was no one specific finding of fault, the investigation results indicate that Cpl. Tillman probably died as a result of friendly fire while his unit was engaged in combat with enemy forces," Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensinger Jr. said in a brief statement to reporters at the Army Special Operations Command.

Kensinger said the firefight took place in "very severe and constricted terrain with impaired light" with 10 to 12 enemy combatants firing on U.S. forces.

But an Afghan military official told The Associated Press on Saturday that Tillman died because of a "misunderstanding" when two mixed groups of American and Afghan soldiers began firing wildly in the confusion following a land mine explosion.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the Afghan official said, "[There] were no enemy forces" present when Tillman died.

Kensinger, who heads Army Special Forces, took no questions Saturday morning after reading the Army statement. An Afghan Defense Ministry official declined to comment on whether enemy forces were present, while U.S. military officials in Afghanistan referred all queries to Fort Bragg.

In Washington, Pentagon officials refused to comment on the Afghan report.

According to the Army's investigation, Tillman's team had split from a second unit when a Ranger whom the Army did not identify fired on a friendly Afghan soldier, mistaking him for the enemy.

Seeing that gunfire and not realizing its origin, other U.S. soldiers fired in the same direction, killing Tillman and an Afghan soldier. Two other Rangers were wounded in the gunfight.

"The results of this investigation in no way diminished the bravery and sacrifice displayed by Cpl. Tillman," Kensinger said.

Tillman, 27, left his position as a starting safety for the Arizona Cardinals to join the Army following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. He was posthumously promoted from specialist to corporal and awarded a Purple Heart and Silver Star, one of the military's highest honors, awarded for gallantry on the battlefield.

 

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Friendly fire happens in all branches of the military, not just "certain units". Tillman is still a hero, no matter how someone tries to politicize this.
 
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Of course Pat Tillman is a hero and I for one,as ex service myself, would be the first to say so.

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Ender said:
Friendly fire happens in all branches of the military, not just "certain units". Tillman is still a hero, no matter how someone tries to politicize this.
Definately. :asian:
 

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The problem with friendly fire is that it happens. It's always a tragedy, but in the confusion of battlefield enviroments it is sadly going to happen. Equipment malfunctions, language problems, miscommunications and mis-positioning.

All we can do is continue to work to minimize such things, and honor those unfortunate to be effected.

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Perhaps I was unclear in my thinking and when I said certain units I ment frontline/combat troops of all nations.

I cant remember when a Padre or storeman killed friendly troops and although cooks have always been accused of poisoning the troops I dont know of any actual cases.

So I apologise for the unclear thinking and say again that all who are KIA are heros, and that includes the other side as we are the "enemy" to them.



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Taimishu

Can you please either post a link or PM me a link to that news clip.
Thanks
 
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The whole point of Rangers is that their not supposed to need vehicles. That the Rangers were towing a vehicle when they were ambushed, set off a mine, whatever supports this idea. Then there's Somalia. Apparently Special opps command has their head up their fourth point of contact farther than previously thought.
 

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I recall hearing about this months ago...why is it big news now??
 

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