Ah. So flushing a Bible, or burning the Flag--for you, no problem at all.
ginshun said:It is unfortunate that people have to die over such trivial things as dropping a book in a toilet. I guess though, trivial to me is obviously very impoertant to someone else. Whatever.
True, but there is a lot more going on then a book in the toilet.Tgace said:Other nations (many that get so twisted over this stuff) DO do things like that routinely. Dont see us rioting in the streets over it....
You've said this a few times in this thread, and I have to say that I think you're misrepresenting our force in the region. Unlike Iraq, there's really nothing we want in Afghanistan and never commited anything like an army to the region.Andrew Green said:This is a country that is a people that have their country being occupied by a foriegn army that shows no respect for their culture and beliefs fighting back.
It looks like our guidelines go out of the way to respect the culture of the detainees...Tgace said:Odd how we are being mandated to respect a specific book... I wonder what would happen if our country implimented laws affording the Bible the same protections?
Yeah, who needs that pesky first amendment anyhow.Tgace said:Odd how we are being mandated to respect a specific book... I wonder what would happen if our country implimented laws affording the Bible the same protections?
I am not a christian or a muslim, so I could really care less about either of those books. Just paper and words.rmcrobertson said:Ah. So flushing a Bible, or burning the Flag--for you, no problem at all.
I am not really sure how:michaeledward said:Yeah, who needs that pesky first amendment anyhow.
Have you heard any stories about the guards using the Bible, Torah, or the Book of Mormon as a coercion / interrogation tool?ginshun said:I am not really sure how:
The basic instruction in the January 2003 guidelines, as described in the document, was to avoid touching a Koran whenever possible, and that when it is deemed a ``military necessity'' to do so, a chaplain or Muslim interpreter -- not a guard -- is to inspect the holy book.
``Handle the Koran as if it were a fragile piece of delicate art,'' the guidelines said.
is exactly an extension of the first amendment. Last time I checked all the first amendment said was that Congress can't make a law establishing a national religion or prohibiting anyone from following their chosen religion. I am not sure that equates with not being allowed to touch a Koran for fear it might offend a prisoner.
Are the same rules in plave for the Bible when the guards are dealing with Chrisian inmates?
I know I haven't.michaeledward said:Have you heard any stories about the guards using the Bible, Torah, or the Book of Mormon as a coercion / interrogation tool?
Wouldn't bother me any.I agree, let's flush them all down the toilet.
I doubt that we ever will, regardless of whether or not it is happening.I wonder why we aren't hearing such reports.
Different culture, different beliefs.Qur'an desecration means insulting the Qur'an by defiling or dismembering it. Most traditional schools of Islamic law dictate that a Muslim may not touch the Qur'an, which is regarded as the literal word of God in its untranslated Arabic form, unless he or she is in a state of ritual purity (wudu). Muslims must always treat the book with reverence, and are forbidden, for instance, to pulp, recycle, or simply discard worn-out copies of the text. (Such books must be respectfully burned or buried.)  (http://www.ourdialogue.com/q4.htm)
Respect for the written text of the Qur'an is an important element of religious faith in Islam. Intentionally insulting the Qur'an is regarded as a form of blasphemy and, according to the laws of some Muslim countries, is punishable by lengthy imprisonment or the death penalty."
But there has to be a limit on how far we go to respect them. Not letting the interrogators desecrate it is the right decision. Rioting because it's believed that they did desecrate anyway, isn't.Andrew Green said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koran#Qur.27an_desecrationDifferent culture, different beliefs.