My religion is satanism

DeLamar.J

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I am a satanist. Quite a shocking thing to hear for some people. I have found a religion that gives me the enlightenment that I have always dreamed of. My life is better because of Anton LaVey and his religion. I have came to better understand myself, others, and everything around me because of satanism. Satanism has improved my martial arts, and my life.
Here is an article explaining this wonderful religion that has changed my life for the better.
I would love to hear everyones opinion on my religion. I respect most everyone at martial talk, there are some very smart people here who I have learned so much from, and I would like to hear what you have to say.



Our philosophies

If you have not already done so, we strongly suggest you purchase
_The Satanic Bible_, and study it. It is a diabolical book, the
basis for our philosophy. Satanism is not for everyone, but if it
is for you, we welcome you. We are not a fan club, a pen-pal
society, or a lonely hearts group. We are a group of dynamic
individuals who stand forth as the ultimate underground alternative
-- the Alien Elite. We realize what we have, what we are, and what
we shall become. Our scope is unlimited, and the extent of your
involvement is based upon your own potential.

In recent years, we've wasted far too much time explaining that
Satanism has nothing to do with kidnapping, drug abuse, child
molestation, animal or child sacrifice, or any number of other acts
which idiots, hysterics or opportunists would like to blame on us.
Satanism is a life-loving, rational philosophy that millions
of people adhere to. Now we're ready for something that goes quite
a few steps beyond just explaining our principles. Every
revisionist movement needs a set of goals/guidelines that are
clear, concrete, and that will effect significant changes.

The following Five-Point Program reflects attitudes which allow
others to decide whether they wish to align themselves with
Satanism or not. Each is necessary for Satanic change to take
place. When asked what we're "doing", here's the answer:

1) STRATIFICATION -- The point on which all the others ultimately
rest. There can be no more myth of "equality" for all--it only
translates to "mediocrity" and supports the weak at the expense of
the strong. Water must be allowed to seek its own level without
interference from apologists for incompetence. No one should be
protected from the effects of his own stupidity.

2) STRICT TAXATION OF ALL CHURCHES -- If churches were taxed for
all their income and property, they'd crumble overnight of their
own obsolescence, and the National Debt would be wiped out as
quickly. The productive, the creative, the resourceful should be
subsidized. So long as the useless and incompetent are getting
paid, they should be heavily taxed.

3) NO TOLERANCE FOR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS SECULARIZED AND INCORPORATED
INTO LAW AND ORDER ISSUES -- to re-establish "Lex Talionis" would
require a complete overturning of the present in-justice system
based on Judeo-Christian ideals, where the victim/defender has been
made the criminal. Amnesty should be considered for anyone in
prison because of his alleged "influence" upon the actual
perpetrator of the crime. Everyone is influenced in what he or she
does. Scapegoating has become a way of life, a means of survival
for the unfit. As an extension of the Judeo-Christian cop-out of
blaming the Devil for everything, criminals can gain leniency, even
praise, by placing the blame on a convenient villain. Following the
Satanic creed of "Responsibility to the responsible," in a Satanic
society, everyone must experience the consequences of his own
actions -- for good or ill.

4) DEVELOPMENT AND PRODUCTION OF ARTIFICIAL HUMAN COMPANIONS -- The
forbidden industry. An economic "godsend" which will allow everyone
"power" over someone else. Polite, sophisticated, technologically
feasible slavery. And the most profitable industry since TV and the
computer.

5) THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE TO LIVE WITHIN A TOTAL ENVIRONMENT OF
HIS OR HER CHOICE, WITH MANDATORY ADHERENCE TO THE AESTHETIC AND
BEHAVIORAL STANDARDS OF SAME -- Privately owned, operated and
controlled environments as an alternative to homogenized and
polyglot ones. The freedom to insularize oneself within a social
milieu of personal well-being. An opportunity to feel, see, and
hear that which is most aesthetically pleasing, without
interference from those who would pollute or detract from that
option.

4.2. The Nine Satanic Statements

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe
dreams.
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical
self-deceit.
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of
love wasted on ingrates.
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of
concern for psychic vampires.
7. Satan represents man as just another animal -- sometimes better,
more often worse than those that walk on all-fours -- who,
because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development,"
has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to
physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He
has kept it in business all these years.

4.3. The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they
want to hear them.
3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go
there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and
without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating
signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a
burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it
successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of
magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose
all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject
yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for
your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone
bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

4.4. The Nine Satanic Sins

1. Stupidity -- The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal
Sin of Satanism. It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful.
Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on
stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they
are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture
that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn
to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.
2. Pretentiousness -- Empty posturing can be most irritating and
isn't applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal
footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation
these days. Everyone's made to feel like a big shot, whether
they can come up with the goods or not.
3. Solipsism -- Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting
your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is
probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of
expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy
and respect that you naturally give them. They won't. Instead,
Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of "Do unto others as
they do unto you." It's work for most of us and requires
constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of
everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would
be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or
perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far
from that point.
4. Self-deceit -- It's in the Nine Satanic Statements but deserves
to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay
homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the
roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time
self-deceit should be entered into is when it's fun, and with
awareness. But then, it's not self-deceit!
5. Herd Conformity -- That's obvious from a Satanic stance. It's
all right to conform to a person's wishes, if it ultimately
benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting
an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a
master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the
many.
6. Lack of Perspective -- Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain
for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you
are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We
are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider
historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key
to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit
things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do
not be swayed by herd constraints -- know that you are working
on another level entirely from the rest of the world.
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies -- Be aware that this is one
of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something
"new" and "different," when in reality it's something that was
once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We
are expected to rave about the genius of the "creator" and
forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.
8. Counterproductive Pride -- That first word is important. Pride
is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with
the bath-water. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you,
great. When it stops working for you, when you've painted
yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, "I'm
sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow,"
then do it.
9. Lack of Aesthetics -- This is the physical application of the
Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and
should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any
money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the
time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but "an eye"
for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must
be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It's not what's
supposed to be pleasing -- it's what is. Aesthetics is a
personal thing, reflective of one's own nature, but there are
universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should
not be denied.



If you want to read more here is the link that I copied and pasted from with the whole FAQ. Also, you can visit the official church of satan web site.

http://members.chello.at/herbert.paulis/CoS-FAQ.html
 

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Interesting read.

Where you raised Christian? If so what made you switch over to a religion that would get you looked at as evil by many?
 

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What does any of that have to do with the Satan of Judeo-Christian tradition. Seems like a rather silly religion to me. Especially when what you described isn't Satanism, it's more like Hedonism. Unless you're actually worshipping the dark lord, why not just call your belief system Hedonism, it describes a philosophy, rather than some bizarre religious belief. Just a thought.
 

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sgtmac_46 said:
What does any of that have to do with the Satan of Judeo-Christian tradition. Seems like a rather silly religion to me. Especially when what you described isn't Satanism, it's more like Hedonism. Unless you're actually worshipping the dark lord, why not just call your belief system Hedonism, it describes a philosophy, rather than some bizarre religious belief. Just a thought.
That is basically what I understood Satanism to be.AS for Bizarre... no more so then Christianity
 
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While I do not care what you observe in your personal life all I can say since you brought this to the public forum is this.

LOL LOL!!
 

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I too was looking for a literal belief in Satan in this post, and came up empty...this sounds like a form of secular humanism.
 

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Satanism is a religious and philosophical movement whose adherents recognize Satan as an archetype who all humans have some characteristics of, and Satanists celebrate aspects of human nature represented by the Satan archetype. Many Satanists do not worship a deity called Satan, or one by any other name. Unlike many religions and philosophies, Satanism generally focuses upon the spiritual advancement of the self, rather than upon submission to a deity or a set of moral codes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism
 

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Selfishness makes the world go around....
 

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Yes, self does seem to be the central theme in this religion. However what also is important to note is that Satan is not seen as a "evil" entity.

It is a religion that tosses conformity and following a God in favour of self-development. Not worshipping Satan, but recognizing that he was a model for opposing conformity and empowering the individual.

If the Satan of the Judeo Christian religion is used he is seen as a being that set an example of opposing an opressive God, and giving people the ability to decide for themselves what is right and wrong (Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil)

But the let the weak fend for themselves... that just doesn't work for me...

Perhaps James can fix me on this if I am reading things wrong.
 

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I was a satanist before i converted to Christianity. I have the full range of his (and his daughters) books, Ive read them all cover to cover several times.

That said...

Anton Levay was a Carnival Huckster who said on numerous occasions that the "Church of Satan" was his way of "twisting the knife" so to speak, to really cheese off the Christian population whom he despised so much. It has nothing to do with Satan, Satanism, Devil Worship etc etc... (which amused me as he makes consistant reference to the Christain "Devil" in his books, esp. The Satanic Rituals, and The Satanic Witch.)

In his own words, he stated that it is only about appeasing mankind's need for religious dogma, blah blah... Much like L Ron Hubbard stated the only way to get rich is to found your own religion and "poof" we had "Dianetics".

All it really is, IMO, and from past experience, is an excuse to put yourself above and before others and see chicks naked.
 

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Since it is part of your faith to proclaim your use of magic or else lose it,
HOW have you succesfully used magic?
Thanks


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Brother John said:
Since it is part of your faith to proclaim your use of magic or else lose it,
HOW have you succesfully used magic?
Thanks


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John
Actually, from what I've read not all satanists believe in magic, just some groups.... The proclaim or loose it I don't think I've seen at all, but then I haven't looked to hard for it.
 
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Andrew Green said:
Yes, self does seem to be the central theme in this religion. However what also is important to note is that Satan is not seen as a "evil" entity.

It is a religion that tosses conformity and following a God in favour of self-development. Not worshipping Satan, but recognizing that he was a model for opposing conformity and empowering the individual.

If the Satan of the Judeo Christian religion is used he is seen as a being that set an example of opposing an opressive God, and giving people the ability to decide for themselves what is right and wrong (Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil)

But the let the weak fend for themselves... that just doesn't work for me...

Perhaps James can fix me on this if I am reading things wrong.


If it brings you personal gratification to help the weak, then by all means do it.
 

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DeLamar.J said:
If it brings you personal gratification to help the weak, then by all means do it.
I can see that, but I would imagine something like a welfare program would be against the beliefs of Satanism.
 

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Interesting. Being a Christian, it's not my cup o' tea, but to each their own. One's Religion is a very personal thing, so that's about as far as I'll go.
 

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Andrew Green said:
Actually, from what I've read not all satanists believe in magic, just some groups.... The proclaim or loose it I don't think I've seen at all, but then I haven't looked to hard for it.
True: But it's not 'some groups' we are talking about. We are talking about "The Church of Satan" began by Anton La Vey.

La Vey's group Does believe in, advocate and practice magic as a part of their system. It's La Vey's ideology he put forward so it makes sense that he'd have tried to practice magic.

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Satanists, and most others on the LHP, have an interesting view on life IMO. They're paradoxical crusade against the herd mentality, only to congregate together to do it uniformly under a unified banner is fascinating.

Personally (and this is honestly in no way a knock on J. or anything), I find the Church of Satan to be too much into grandstanding. "Hey!! Look at me!! I'm not Christian!! You're all sheep!!" *shakes head* I do find the tenents of the Temple of Set to be a little easier to understand. It was a branch of the Church of Satan when the founder decided the CoS was getting a little too wacky. They don't see things as good and evil, but change and stagnation. I found it pretty interesting to read their articles, and would encourage people to do the same.
 

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OUMoose said:
Satanists, and most others on the LHP, have an interesting view on life IMO. They're paradoxical crusade against the herd mentality, only to congregate together to do it uniformly under a unified banner is fascinating.
hehehe... yeah, well that happens.

Even in Martial Arts, JKD is a good example of that, a Martial arts idea about breaking conformity and doing what worked for Bruce Lee :D

I'd imagine some actually live by the ideas, and some just spit them out and follow the leader. :D

Oh well, what religion doesn't have its odd little bits that make you go "Whaa?"
 

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