Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Whatever works for you, but your training suggestion makes no sense to me, based on reality in my experience
Matsumura Seito Kicking Tips
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Since it seems thread is about traditional Karate then the tactics for kicking should be found in the styles kata
I think there's two issues here.
1: You are talking about two different situations. When someone is "bullrushing" you, particularly someone who seems very strong, throwing a kick and trying to root/absorb the impact is not going to work very well, and in that situation a redirect works better. When someone is coming towards you, but not rushing/overcommitting, redirecting is a bit tougher to pull off, so throwing out a kick to catch them works better.
2: There's a second part to that drill/kick that wang is talking about, which I don't see a lot of people train/even know of. When they are larger you don't want to root it into the ground, specifically for the concerns Xue has. However, if you pick up your rear leg (assuming you're kicking with the lead) right before impact, they still take a large brunt of the force. You don't want to jump with it though, since then the weight is going nowhere and you're just pushed buck/thrown off balance. Essentially it's a backstep that you take at that exact moment, shifting your feet back, and looks almost like an awkward one-legged skip. Doing it this way alleviates the force so you're not rushed over, while also still giving them a large portion of the damage. And from experience on both ends of it, the harder they're rushing at you, the more it hurts.
It's very tough to pull off; took me close to 6 months before I got it correct once, but once you understand it and the timing it can work consistently and well. The issue is people don't teach that portion, and get content trying to overpower the attacker/stand their ground instead.
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OP
If your opponent runs toward you and tries to knock your head off, you step to the side, let your opponent to fall down, he can get back up again. The fight will continue and not end there.
Why would you not follow up after he falls down? Even as a striker, when the person is off balance that's the perfect time to strike. And as a grappler, that's exactly what you want.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
I don’t know, the WWF wrestler was done after a face plant on the pavement. He got real cooperative after that.
It is not just step aside, it is redirect and/or trip
Bounced one off a wall once too. When he changed me, by redirecting. The fight was all out of him as well.
So, experience in real world confrontation tells me you are not correct, at least not 100% of the time. But in 100% of the people who charged at me, i am correct. Although admittedly there were only about 5 to 6 who did. Of the 100 or so (i kid you not) confrontations i had in that job
Redirected one right back into the room once. He stopped to, but mostly out of confusion as to how he ended up back where he started
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OP
A grappler will help his opponent to fall then to expect his opponent to fall by himself.
A + B > A
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OP
If "trip" is what you are talking about, I will agree with you 100% there.
If you are redirecting your opponent to fall (which you added, I just said redirect, which could be for many reasons), you are helping them to fall.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
A trip is an option but to redirect does not just mean trip. And they can easily be taken down from a redirect without a trip.
You seem to have only a 1 dimensional view of a redirect. You seem to be thinking “if A then ONLY B” and that is simply not the case
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OP
I only apply the logic. It's better to control your opponent's leg/legs than not to control his leg/legs.
1. redirect.
2. redirect + trip.
IMO, 1 < 2.
To redirect your opponent by "neck wiping" is good.
But to redirect your opponent by "neck wiping" along with 'foot sweep" is better.
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Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
You are entitled to your opinionI only apply the logic. It's better to control your opponent's leg/legs than not to control his leg/legs.
1. redirect.
2. redirect + trip.
IMO, 1 < 2.
To redirect your opponent by "neck wiping" is good.
But to redirect your opponent by "neck wiping" along with 'foot sweep" is better.
But there is a lot more to it than you appear to know
This is a split from Kindy's intro thread, as there was significant thread drift occurring there.
isshinryuronin
Senior Master
I remember feeling lacking when I got my godan. It motivated me to go above and beyond in my polishing and overall knowledge. It's good you're not satisfied as that's what drives one to true advancement in the art. There's an old Chinese saying, "When your belly is full your stomach is forgotten." Stay hungry.
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OP
The drift happened like this:
A: What can I ...?
B: You may try ...
C: Why would I want to do that?
B: ...
C: ...
...
If B
- ignores C's question, the thread discussion will continue.
- responds to C's question, and if C counters back, the thread may be drifted.
When A asks question and B answers A's question, should B ignore all the questions not come from A? In other words, should B only communicate with the OP and nobody else?
Not sure what's the best way to prevent this from happening.
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The thread drift itself isn't an issue, and there's nothing to prevent. It's just that that was an intro thread, so people not interested in intro threads wouldn't participate. By separating it into a separate thread we can be more focused and get better responses.
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