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Matsumura Seito Kicking Tips
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Kindy
White Belt
Thank you Kung Fu Wang
What I'm planning to do is start working on a heavy bag, since I bought one (big standing heavy bag) for my new place.
What I'm planning to do is start working on a heavy bag, since I bought one (big standing heavy bag) for my new place.
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Small target can be good for accuracy. To draw a fist size circle on your heavy bag can be helpful.
Is this all kicks, or just specific ones (ie: front ball kick/roundhouse kick)? And do you think the issue is with your actual physical strength, or that you're not transferring your strength properly?
If it's an issue with not transferring strength properly (ie: technique) we have a members in motion section; I'd recommend posting yourself drilling your kicks on there, so people can give you specific recommendations.
isshinryuronin
Senior Master
Some thoughts that may be of use to you:
Matsumura was a proponent of speed and agility over power. These qualities, along with accuracy, enable taking advantage of vital point target openings (knees, groin, throat, eyes, solar plexus) that don't require much power to damage. Develop tactics that will create these openings if the opponent does not present them himself.
Even though your kicks are (comparatively) weak, you can use them to set up your stronger hand techniques.
But developing power is good, too. Heavy bag work will help, as well as provide feedback. Shotokan's Oshima Tsutomu said that it's better to eliminate one weakness than adding one strength, so it's good you are working on this. Aside from what you read in my post on kicks, getting your body more into them will increase their power. A quick kick launched from a quick hop/skip will do this, as well as help get you in range. Mentally seeing your kicks as punches may help put some "punch" into them. Think about this.
Kindy
White Belt
Monkey Turned Wolf
It's all kicks. I'm sure I need to work on how to transfer strength properly.I'm small but in good shape.
isshinryuronin
We do focus on technique, speed, accuracy... in M. Seito, and in the application of Hakutsuru katas for sure.We also start everything with the feet... body change and strike.
We don't do a lot of kicks, and it's mostly lower kicks on the knees or kyusho points on the legs or front kicks (no high kicks or round kicks like what I used to train in Shotokan).
I'm embarrassed because there's now a gap between arms and legs. And as a SanDan I don't think it's acceptable. That's why I would like to tackle this.
Xue Sheng 
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If you have training partner, ask your training partner to hold a kicking shield, runs toward you with full speed. You then try to use your kick to stop your opponent's forward momentum.
One day when your leg can kick out at your opponent's chest without order from your brain, you have developed a dependable MA skill. The moment that your opponent tries to punch at your face, the moment that your kick has landed on his chest. Your kick will be your 1st line defense.
One day when your leg can kick out at your opponent's chest without order from your brain, you have developed a dependable MA skill. The moment that your opponent tries to punch at your face, the moment that your kick has landed on his chest. Your kick will be your 1st line defense.
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Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Have to ask; Why would i want to do that? First, seems like a great way to injure yourself, second there are a lot of better ways to deal with a charging bull. I just side step one, tripped him as he went by and watched him face plant, back in my hospital security days
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If you want to develop a kick that can stop anybody who tries to knock your head off, you need to have strong rooting without being pushed back. When you kick, your whole body should function as 1 unit. You should let the counter force to transfer all the way through your back rooting leg and then into the ground.
If you can stop your training partner's forward momentum 10,000 times (if you train 100 times daily, it only takes 100 days), the chance that you can stop him on the 10,001 time will be high.
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isshinryuronin
Senior Master
Probably not the best strategy for a low mass female.
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In that case, the small target groin kick is better than the large target chest kick.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Why stop them at all, why work so hard, redirect the energy they will fall down. Heck for that matter, side step and clothed line them. This kick a train heading straight at you stuff may work for you, but it makes mo sense to me. You have over committed to a form of attack/defense that in the real world, if they stop short, or change direction, you are in trouble
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You are talking about throwing art. I'm talking about striking art,
- In throwing art, you look for "rear end collision".
- In striking art, you look for "head on collision".
both are borrowing force that A + B > A.
To pull your opponent's head down and strike him with your knee is a good example. A + B > A.
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I'm not a kicking expert and because this I traded power for weighted kicks. By this I mean that I focus more on putting weight into a kick so that it's heavy. I also train really hard to have good timing of my opponent's footwork and my opponent's kicks. This way I don't have to blast through everything. My concept is very simple. Attack my opponent when they are least able to defend the strike.
Weighted strikes don't snap back. So I'm not sure if this is a direction that will be useful for the types of kicks you train.
Weighted strikes don't snap back. So I'm not sure if this is a direction that will be useful for the types of kicks you train.
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My concept is also simple. Try to let my opponent to run into my kick. If I have to step in and kick, that's 2 steps process (unless it's a jump kick). If my opponent steps in and I kick, that's 1 step. My opponent just did the step in for me.
Leg is longer than the arm. When your opponent attacks you, he has to put weight on his leading leg. This will give you 3 opportunities:
You can
1. kick his chest/belly.
2. kick his knee (this is a small target).
3. sweep his leading leg.
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Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
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We are talking about 2 different strategies here. Both has value in combat.
We are talking about kick in this thread. You can kick when your opponent:
1. moves away from you.
2. stands still.
3. moves in toward you.
IMO, 1 < 2 < 3.
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Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
I am aware of that, what I am saying, IMO, it is not a good strategy. I have had that situation come at me more than once in my old security days. And I can tell you for a fact, if I tried to kick the oncoming train, it would not have ended so well. Especially with the WWF (now WWE) wrestler solid muscle and over 200lbs) who was hopped up on something who came charging at me..... sidestep, trip, he face planted on the pavement.... problem solved. And I don't care how rooted you think you are in that, I seriously doubt it would have stopped him and only hurt you.
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It takes time to develop any "door guarding" skill. It's up to how much time that you are willing to develop a certain skill. You may be able to stop a 200 lb guy with 5 years kicking training. But to stop a 300 lb guy may take more years than that.
IMO, a good kick can be your 1st line defense. It's a good "door guarding" skill to train. The moment that someone throws a punch at you, the moment that your leg kicks out without thinking. That's what we all want to achieve.
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