- Oct 13, 2006
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okay. I guess we have different thoughts on the matter. I would consider you a musician. Maybe not a very good one, but a musician nonetheless. But to be clear, this is just my thought, since you asked.
Art is more than just the masterpieces that are hanging in a gallery. Art is any creative endeavor, successful or not. There is good art and bad art, popular art, serious art. There are all kinds of art, and it's all art, regardless of the value we place on it.MW:
1: skill acquired by experience, study, or observation <the art of making friends>
2a : a branch of learning: (1) : one of the humanities (2) plural : liberal arts
b archaic : learning, scholarship
3: an occupation requiring knowledge or skill <the art of organ building>
4a : the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced
b (1) : fine arts (2) : one of the fine arts (3) : a graphic art
5a archaic : a skillful plan
b : the quality or state of being artful
6: decorative or illustrative elements in printed matter
I was only going by your own self description. If you can play a few chords, you're ahead of me! I'm really just trying to distinguish between the term "artist" or "musician" and the judgment of skill. You can be a good musician or a bad one.No worries, its a discussion, not an argument.....
although the "not a very good one" was rather insulting and deserves the proper response so...:You have offended my family, and you have offended the Shaolin Temple... now of course the required posturing, challenges, banter, some Chinese guy with one hand and of course the death match must ensue on some island near Hong Kong
I think a really good place to start is the definition of the term "art." It seems to me that a lot of people here have a skewed perspective of what the word really means, and are applying it in only one very specific way.
Art is more than just the masterpieces that are hanging in a gallery. Art is any creative endeavor, successful or not. There is good art and bad art, popular art, serious art. There are all kinds of art, and it's all art, regardless of the value we place on it.
It is also any area of study, or skills acquired through practice, which is far more relevant to the term martial arts than references to music, dancing, painting or sculpture.
If you look at any of the major sites (I didn't look at them all, but I'm going out on a limb), I think you'll see a pretty consistent definition. What you won't see are indications that something must meet a certain standard to be considered "art." I frankly don't understand why we put the term artist on a pedestal. It's just a descriptor, and means nothing more than that someone does something. Among painters or musicians or martial artists or blacksmiths or any other "art" there are some who are novices, some who are experts. And some who truly elevate the art to a new level.
.....all that needs to be done is finding some Chinese guy with one hand can fit it into his schedule and of course the proper island of the island of Hong Kong to meet on.... my only requirement is a 5 star hotel
Just for the record you could dedicated your entire life to a didgeridoo and it still wouldn't be music coming out of that thing...sounds like a food processor .....just joking. I actually wish I had one.
Or a donkey, they kick pretty well also. Of course, I've met several people that the two would overlap ...I kick therefore I'm a martial artist
what it takes to truly call yourself a martial artist, to legitimately be a marital artists
I have no desire to tell someone the can or cannot call themselves a martial artist either, I am mostly curious as to what it is supposed to mean in the 21st century, And to be honest the more I type "artist" and think of the label "Martial Artist" I am not really comfortable with it, it is just a label after all, but "Artist" brings in a whole lot of excess baggage.
I believe so.I am starting to believe the question is wrong.
I agree with this also.There is no definition of "marital artist" that all will agree on and to be honest that is not what I am after. I have allowed and contributed to post drift in a direction that I did not intend and I believe that is because of the wording of the original question.
First I am getting more and more uncomfortable with the term "Artist" and that is likely my newly acquired bias towards the word. But it is not a definition that I am after it is more philosophical and from that it becomes a more personal description and because of that there will likely be no agreed upon way of describing it.
I asked on another site "What is it to be a marital artist" and that may be a better question, but then maybe it is not.
And since I am not sure of the question maybe it is best just to walk away form the entire thread and leave it at that
It probably would be better to start a new thread, but you should figure out just what it is that you are wishing to discuss. That way you'll stand a better chance of asking the right questions to ignite the desired discussion. All of your questions to this point have been about what people would be willing to try and force others to adhere to. Perhaps you would do better asking questions about what definitions others would impose on themselves. For instance, I never refer to myself or think of myself as a "martial artist". I always refer to myself, and others, as practitioners because that's what we do.