Guns are good for me, bad for you.

[MisterMike]

Says Michael Moore (oh and Rosie O'D.)

'Bodyguard Bust' Proves Michael Moore Is Less Than Honest about Gun Laws, Says Second Amendment Foundation

BELLEVUE, Wash., Jan. 20 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The arrest of a man identified by Fox News as a bodyguard for anti-gun film director Michael Moore by New York Port Authority Police Wednesday evening proves that Moore is an elitist who thinks it is fine for him to have armed security, while he has endeavored to disarm other law- abiding Americans, the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) said today.


Adding to the irony, said SAF Founder Alan M. Gottlieb, is the fact that bodyguard Patrick Burke was arrested for violating the kind of Draconian gun law that Moore and his extremist gun control contemporaries would support. Burke was reportedly arrested at JFK International Airport when he declared his firearm at the ticket counter, as required by law when traveling.


New York authorities habitually arrest private citizens at airports around the state when they declare firearms as required by law, and do not have a New York firearms license. It is a technicality that has tripped up many travelers who may simply be going through the state on their way to or from other destinations.


"Michael Moore is a world-class hypocrite for campaigning against the gun rights of law-abiding citizens, while having an armed bodyguard," Gottlieb observed. "Unfortunately for Mr. Burke, who is reportedly licensed to carry a firearm in Florida and California, he has been tripped up by the same anti-gun mentality espoused by his elitist employer. Sadly, if criminal charges are pursued, it will be Mr. Burke, not his boss, who takes the fall, possibly losing his gun rights in the process, because possession of an unlicensed gun in New York is a felony.


"Like so many other arrogant Hollywood anti-gunners, Michael Moore obviously considers his life more important than the lives of all the people he would disarm," Gottlieb stated. "His malevolence toward the rights of gun owners only adds to the hypocrisy of this case.


"Naturally," Gottlieb concluded, "we would be delighted to recommend a suitable lawyer from the SAF attorney referral list to represent Mr. Burke. And we're certain Malevolent Michael will happily pick up the tab."

 

[AC_Pilot]

The same thing has happened to other ardent anti-gunners, exposed as hypocrites:

Rosie O'Donnel (armed bodyguards)

Senator Diane Fienstein (concealed weapons permit and owns handguns)

Carl Rowe, columnist who wrote many anti-gun ownership articles in the 1980s and used a handgun in WA DC to scare away a home intruder.. (illegal ownership of handgun)

And a bunch of other hypocrites. here's the scoop.. they all think of themselves as our "elite ruling class" and as such, they are more equal than us mere citizens. It's always been this way, some people want absolute power and they think they are better suited to rule us.. we have to recognize these people and strip them of that power, or we lose our liberties!

 

[modarnis]

Add Chuck Schumer, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry to this list of anti-gun elite who have armed guards or use guns for their own purposes (John Kerry hunting geese with one of the semi auto shotguns he proposed to ban). I'm sure there are many who post here who will cite valid excuses for these hypocrites. In another thread the Bush inauguration was compared to Hitler's rise to power. That power was facilitated through disarming free people. (See multiple legislative proposals from Schumer, Feinstein, Kennedy, Kerry, and Pelosi)

 

[Zepp]

It seems that none of the posters on this thread, or the author of the article have actually seen Bowling for Columbine, or they might have some vague idea as to what Michael Moore's beliefs about guns really are. He does explain in the film that he is (or at least, was at the time) a card-carrying member of the NRA. I can't ever remember when I've heard or seen him advocate "disarming people."

Would actually renting and watching the movie be such a painful experience? You just might find out what it's really about.

 

[Tgace]

Documentary???

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

 

[Zepp]

Documentary???

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Seen it before. I think it's Mr. Hardy who doesn't understand what a documentary is. I didn't know it was a secret that documentary filmmakers put their own spin on their work. Besides, Mr. Hardy proves my earlier point.

10. Guns (supposedly the point of the film). A point worth making (although not strictly on theme here): Bowling's theme is, rather curiously, not opposed to firearms ownership.

The movie is about American culture and the part guns play.

 

[Tgace]

Piecing together unrelated clips and presenting them as a historic moment is a little beyond the bounds of "spin" IMHO.

 

[PeachMonkey]

John Kerry hunting geese with one of the semi auto shotguns he proposed to ban

Was Kerry hunting geese with a semi-auto shotgun that held more than five rounds? I couldn't tell from the photographs.

 

[AC_Pilot]

There are quite a few NRA members who are not pro second amendment. They belong as "sportsmen" which has no relevance to the 2nds intent to keep an armed citizenry, armed and trained with current military weaponry in order to keep the peace and keep our freedoms and defend us from foreign invasion.


There are quite a few Americans out here who do not belong to the NRA (like me, former member) who feel the NRA is not sufficiently pro second amendment. Don't judge public sentiment by membership in a mostly sporting arms group, the NRA, which has actually written many gun control laws for the government, such as the 1934 National firearms Act. The NRA has taken some positive steps lately but they have a long way to go to get me back.. they need to totally support the original civilian militia intent.

Mikey is not pro second amendment.. he is a socialist who simply wants his guy (Kerry) in office, which would have been an even worse choice than George B. Mikey might let you keep your duck gun, which has nothing to do with the second amendment.

 

[heretic888]

Mikey might let you keep your duck gun, which has nothing to do with the second amendment.

Neither does anything you are talking about.

 

[modarnis]

Was Kerry hunting geese with a semi-auto shotgun that held more than five rounds? I couldn't tell from the photographs.

I suppose that would depend on whether they were 2 3/4" or 3" shells. Of course if you read Senate Bill 1431 as proposed: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.1431: , fixed magazine capacity is only one criteria. The pistol grip that the browning he is holding fits the ban, as does the catch all:

"A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event."

since virtually every semi auto shotgun design was originally developed for military use.

 

[modarnis]

It seems that none of the posters on this thread, or the author of the article have actually seen Bowling for Columbine, or they might have some vague idea as to what Michael Moore's beliefs about guns really are. He does explain in the film that he is (or at least, was at the time) a card-carrying member of the NRA. I can't ever remember when I've heard or seen him advocate "disarming people."

Would actually renting and watching the movie be such a painful experience? You just might find out what it's really about.

I have watched both of Moore's movies. I viewed them with as open a mind as humanly possible. If he doesn't have a strong anti gun agenda, I don't know who does.

I have also read most of the contemporary works on the gun control issue from both sides of the aisle. I make my living prosecuting violent criminals, who despite a mountain of ineffective gun laws, still seem to get guns, or just beat, stab, slash, injure and kill one another with phones, bottles, knives, bricks, or any variety of items when weilded in an agressive manner become a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument.

 

[Tgace]

I have watched both of Moore's movies. I viewed them with as open a mind as humanly possible. If he doesn't have a strong anti gun agenda, I don't know who does.

I have also read most of the contemporary works on the gun control issue from both sides of the aisle. I make my living prosecuting violent criminals, who despite a mountain of ineffective gun laws, still seem to get guns, or just beat, stab, slash, injure and kill one another with phones, bottles, knives, bricks, or any variety of items when weilded in an agressive manner become a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument.

I agree 100%. However Im waiting for the bandwagon of people who are going to "prove" that your "experience" dont really mean ****. :shrug:

 

[heretic888]

I agree 100%. However Im waiting for the bandwagon of people who are going to "prove" that your "experience" dont really mean ****. :shrug:

Well, as a wannabe scientist myself, I tend to take anecdotal "evidence" with a grain of salt. No falsifiability there.

 

[Tgace]

Theres a lot of wannabe's of various types around the internet....

 

[Baytor]

I'll tell you why guns need to be banned. Satanic possesion. It's true. You see, back during the Crusades, there was a monestary in England that made Holy blades for the knights. But one monk's heart was swayed to evil and he corrupted the mine they got the metal from by invoking a satanic ritual, causing all the metal to have an aura of evil about it. Not long after that, the monestary closed down, and the area became known for wicked things. Time passed, and cannons and guns were invented in that very place. The metal used to make those guns was the samed cursed metal, and all who used the cursed cannons felt compelled to kill their fellow man, for they were possesed by evil. So it has been for hundreds of years. Evil monks cursing mines so that the evil guns continue to posses their owners and cause misery upon this world. Only by smelting all the guns of the world down and turning them into vats holding holy water will the curse be lifted.


I know, I have no point here...

 

[Ceicei]

I know, I have no point here...

:rofl: Yeah, and that's why firearms are "evil". :rofl:

- Ceicei

 

[Feisty Mouse]

It seems that none of the posters on this thread, or the author of the article have actually seen Bowling for Columbine, or they might have some vague idea as to what Michael Moore's beliefs about guns really are. He does explain in the film that he is (or at least, was at the time) a card-carrying member of the NRA. I can't ever remember when I've heard or seen him advocate "disarming people."

Would actually renting and watching the movie be such a painful experience? You just might find out what it's really about.

Bowling tried to capture a lot of things. Like why were kids able to get so much ammo at KMart? Moore is still an NRA member.

As for saying the NRA is not going far enough - I'd have to totally disagree.

I don't find it odd that Moore has guns. I think his documentary was about SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, our violent society, and why it might be that a KID would try to waste his school, or a portion of it.

Surprisingly, one of the most articulate of speakers in the film - Marylin Manson (sp?), who creeps me out, but was very thoughtful.

Maybe there's a problem when kids decide to shoot up their schools. Maybe we shouldn't all think that worrying about that means that all guns will be taken away.

And maybe Moore's critique of the NRA in the film hinged a great deal on the pro-gun "parties" the NRA held in towns directly after shootings such as Columbine. Tacky at best.

 

[digitalronin]

Surprisingly, one of the most articulate of speakers in the film - Marylin Manson (sp?), who creeps me out, but was very thoughtful.

He's totally cool and also Great musician.

 

[modarnis]

>>>And maybe Moore's critique of the NRA in the film hinged a great deal on the pro-gun "parties" the NRA held in towns directly after shootings such as Columbine. Tacky at best.>>


Moore's version of the truth might be this. NRA, like many organizations and corporations holds a regularly scheduled annual meeting. Here is a local news article from 1999 without spin:

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/shooting/0422nra3.shtml