Front chokes

[skribs]

I'm having a hard time understanding the difference between the front chokes. It's something I've not really had much opportunity to work. (And many of the times we have worked on it in class, I've been out sick or traveling). Can someone explain to me, in stupid simple terms, what is the difference between a darce, anaconda, and guillotine (and any others I'm missing)?

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Darce: an arm triangle from the front where your choking arm enters from the side of your opponents enclosed arm. The hand of your choking arm typically anchors in the bicep of your secondary arm, RNC style (although there are other variations). You cut off blood flow on one side of the neck with your forearm and on the other side with the shoulder of your opponent's enclosed arm. Typically entered from top of side control when opponent comes up with an underhook.

Anaconda: the mirror image of the Darce. Your choking arm enters from the side of your opponents neck. You cut off blood flow on one side of the neck with your bicep and on the other side with the shoulder of your opponent's enclosed arm. Typically entered from front headlock position with opponent on all fours.

Both the Darce and Anaconda are best finished with your body perpendicular to your opponents body.

Guillotine: Lot of variations here. It can be executed as a blood choke or as air choke, opponents arm in or arm out. One common factor is that you are parallel with your opponent, chests more or less facing, with your legs pointing more or less the same direction. The finishing mechanics for the arm-in guillotine are different from the Darce or anaconda. You can't really drive their shoulder into their neck, so you have a shallower grip with your wrist on their trachea and crunch your body towards their head, basically folding their throat over your wrist.

Schultz choke: Sort of like the anaconda, except you have a Gable grip instead of the figure-4 RNC grip and you use your head to help drive their shoulder into their neck.

Peruvian necktie: Like a guillotine, except you throw your leg over the back of their head.

 

[skribs]

(Checking my understanding): It looks like the principles of the arm triangle apply to the Darce, Anaconda, and Schultz; and the principles of the guillotine apply to the peruvian necktie.

The darce, anaconda, and schultz get one side of the neck with your arm, and one side with their shoulder; the guillotines use only your arm to apply the choke - either straight to the trachea, or the no-arm guillotine working like a RNC or short choke.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

(Checking my understanding): It looks like the principles of the arm triangle apply to the Darce, Anaconda, and Schultz; and the principles of the guillotine apply to the peruvian necktie.

The darce, anaconda, and schultz get one side of the neck with your arm, and one side with their shoulder; the guillotines use only your arm to apply the choke - either straight to the trachea, or the no-arm guillotine working like a RNC or short choke.

Correct.

 

[drop bear]

Now go and just pistol choke (Ezekiel?) everyone like a damn thug.

Also good as a counter to a double leg and a von flue. If you don't want any friends.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Darce: an arm triangle from the front where your choking arm enters from the side of your opponents enclosed arm. The hand of your choking arm typically anchors in the bicep of your secondary arm, RNC style (although there are other variations). You cut off blood flow on one side of the neck with your forearm and on the other side with the shoulder of your opponent's enclosed arm. Typically entered from top of side control when opponent comes up with an underhook.

Anaconda: the mirror image of the Darce. Your choking arm enters from the side of your opponents neck. You cut off blood flow on one side of the neck with your bicep and on the other side with the shoulder of your opponent's enclosed arm. Typically entered from front headlock position with opponent on all fours.

Both the Darce and Anaconda are best finished with your body perpendicular to your opponents body.

Guillotine: Lot of variations here. It can be executed as a blood choke or as air choke, opponents arm in or arm out. One common factor is that you are parallel with your opponent, chests more or less facing, with your legs pointing more or less the same direction. The finishing mechanics for the arm-in guillotine are different from the Darce or anaconda. You can't really drive their shoulder into their neck, so you have a shallower grip with your wrist on their trachea and crunch your body towards their head, basically folding their throat over your wrist.

Schultz choke: Sort of like the anaconda, except you have a Gable grip instead of the figure-4 RNC grip and you use your head to help drive their shoulder into their neck.

Peruvian necktie: Like a guillotine, except you throw your leg over the back of their head.

Wow nice.

 

[Buka]

I used to like a clothing choke with someone I had in full guard. Wouldn’t work against a better jits guy, but it was fun trying.

 

[skribs]

I used to like a clothing choke with someone I had in full guard. Wouldn’t work against a better jits guy, but it was fun trying.

The thread I was mostly focused on no-gi, but yeah there are some fun gi chokes. Clock choke is probably what you're thinking of, I think?

 

[Simfers]

I think the clock choke is mostly done when your opponent is in turtle, no?

If Buka had his opponent in his full guard, the first things that come to my mind using the gi would be cross-choke, loop choke and ezekiel choke...

 

[skribs]

If Buka had his opponent in his full guard, the first things that come to my mind using the gi wcould be cross-choke, loop choke and ezekiel choke...

You're right. I was thinking about front chokes from turtle when I started the thread, didn't adjust my thinking from that.

 

[Buka]

The thread I was mostly focused on no-gi, but yeah there are some fun gi chokes. Clock choke is probably what you're thinking of, I think?

The thread I was mostly focused on no-gi, but yeah there are some fun gi chokes. Clock choke is probably what you're thinking of, I think?

I’ve never landed a clock choke. Tried a couple of times and got squashed.

I don’t remember the Portuguese name of the
clothing choke, just clothing choke. We spent a month trying it with every kind of clothing we had, t-shirts, wife beaters, winter coats, suits, sweatshirts (sometimes if a hooded sweatshirt was roomy on a guy it would get in the way or he’d slide out.)

I really liked the choke, had a lot of success with it. Rickson taught it to us back in the day.

 

[Buka]

I think the clock choke is mostly done when your opponent is in turtle, no?

If Buka had his opponent in his full guard, the first things that come to my mind using the gi would be cross-choke, loop choke and ezekiel choke...

It most resembles the loop choke, but it’s really different. I’ll try to explain it later sometime without confusing myself and every one else.

I asked my wife if I could do it on her when someone was over to film it. She told me to go poop in my hat. I don’t know how to post to YouTube anyway.

 

[Buka]

I spent a few nights searching YouTube trying to find the front choke I mentioned but had no luck.

You have someone in closed guard. You pull them towards you so they post out.

Your left arm goes around their right arm just above their elbow holding it tight to your side while your hand, palm up, grips the lapel of their gi just below 1 o’clock. (That should be one movement, grabbing their arm and shooting your hand up inside their lapel.)

Your other hand, palm down, grabs their lapel PAST where your first hand is. (Towards their back)

From there - You want your right hand’s forearm to go over their head from the left side of their neck (their left) to the right.

Pull your elbows back, not to the side but backwards, against your ribs.

Maybe it’s a beginner’s technique, maybe it’s easily countered, I don’t know, but it worked for me a lot.

But again, I never tried it against a better grappler.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

I spent a few nights searching YouTube trying to find the front choke I mentioned but had no luck.

You have someone in closed guard. You pull them towards you so they post out.

Your left arm goes around their right arm just above their elbow holding it tight to your side while your hand, palm up, grips the lapel of their gi just below 1 o’clock. (That should be one movement, grabbing their arm and shooting your hand up inside their lapel.)

Your other hand, palm down, grabs their lapel PAST where your first hand is. (Towards their back)

From there - You want your right hand’s forearm to go over their head from the left side of their neck (their left) to the right.

Pull your elbows back, not to the side but backwards, against your ribs.

Maybe it’s a beginner’s technique, maybe it’s easily countered, I don’t know, but it worked for me a lot.

But again, I never tried it against a better grappler.

It’s a standard variation on cross-collar choke. It’s a legit technique, but not one that I personally have a lot of luck with. (My cross-collar chokes are mediocre in general.) I will sometimes use it as a threat to set up other attacks.

 

[Buka]

It’s a standard variation on cross-collar choke. It’s a legit technique, but not one that I personally have a lot of luck with. (My cross-collar chokes are mediocre in general.) I will sometimes use it as a threat to set up other attacks.

Like an arm bar?

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Like an arm bar?

Yep.