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[andy]

is france still burning? And does anyone think france would have fallen as far as it has --if it's citizens were armed?

wonder what would happen in america if islamofascists began an uprising and started burning cars in our streets? just wondering. --it would be a little differant since americans still bear arms.

 

[sgtmac_46]

is france still burning? And does anyone think france would have fallen as far as it has --if it's citizens were armed?

wonder what would happen in america if islamofascists began an uprising and started burning cars in our streets? just wondering. --it would be a little differant since americans still bear arms.

Anyone remember the Asian store owners in LA during the riots? That's what would happen. They held off the advancing rioters, and protecting themselves and their stores with directed use of small-arms fire. In that situation, as in France, the police were pretty much ineffective.

I'm sure our socialist friends would suggest that appropriate response would be to leave and let them burn the stores. 'Property isn't worth life' they'd say. Or, better yet, joined the 'disaffected mob' and help them burn your own store. After all, it's a protest. :erg:
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/09/time_to_get_a_g.html

I'm curious, however, if this might be an argument FOR gun control among the radical left. I mean, if their riotous mobs are cut short by armed citizens defending their homes and property, where will the revolution go?

What's more, being shot by the police while burning and looting is a plus, it gets you good air time and it provides a martyr for the movement. Being shot by a dry-cleaner defending his shop from being burned down? That just goes nowhere in the rhetoric department. In fact, most of the public will simply say 'Yeah, idiot got what he deserved'.

Could be why radical leftists LOVE the image of a guerilla hoisting his Ak-47 high, and turn it into an icon (See: Che Guevara), but despire armed American citizens. In their minds, only the armies of the 'revolution' need guns.

 

[arnisador]

I dunno...with widespread violence like that, being armed may be good for the individual but bad for the country as a whole, if it leads to escalation.

 

[sgtmac_46]

I dunno...with widespread violence like that, being armed may be good for the individual but bad for the country as a whole, if it leads to escalation.

Well, as the reality in the US attests, law abiding citizens don't burn businesses. Criminals can't legally own a firearm. Teenage thugs can't legal own firearms. Criminals and teenage thugs burn businesses.

The reality is, guns in the right hands pretty much procludes 'escalation', as the situation usually is isolated to those neighborhoods that will tolerate the violence. As many roaming bands discovered in New Orleans, there are some parts of the city and suburban area you just didn't wander in to, to loot. Signs like "Looters will be shot!" provide the first clue. Armed neighbors on rooftops with long-guns provided the next. What's more, these people worked together as a community, not as disperate roving bands and brigands. That is also one of the differences between thugs and law abiding communities....the very IDEA of community.

In some parts of this country, people won't intervene if they hear a woman screaming rape in the street. If one of my neighbors called and said someone was trying to break in their house and harm them, i'd come running, Benelli M2 or Colt M4 carbine in hand. Doesn't really matter which neighbor, either. I believe they'd do the same for me.

(It's statements like that, that get us folks labelled a 'Vigilante' Culture by certain..... 'sophisticates'...... as a way of seperating us from their 'hiding in my house, shaking, afraid to even dial 911 because the bad man might found it was me that called, hoping the lady in the street will stop screaming' culture.)

What's more, even armed, the average criminal is not very effective with a firearm. The majority of criminals and thugs are too lazy to work, too lazy to study, and too lazy to practice the gun. 99% of the street criminals are very unskilled with the gun, and usually keep their guns in such poor condition and with such questionable ammunition, that their ability to operate is in question. I once recovered a .45 1911 off of a drug dealer. The slide was partially rusted, and the gun would likely only have fired one round. The gun was only loaded with 4 rounds. This is typical of the street level criminal, sloppy in pretty much everything.

That's one of the reasons the safetest person to be when a gang member is shooting, is the person he is shooting AT. It's dangerous to be the kid on his bicycle half a block down, though.

It's been my experience that a moderately trained civilian,armed with a gun and with the appropriate mindset, is skill for skill MORE than a match for a street thug armed with a gun

There are exceptions, but the kind of sophisticated criminal who is skilled with a gun, isn't wandering around the streets looking to mug you. He's involved in more lucritive crime. There is a hierarchy of skills and abilities, even among criminals. He's also not going to be in the middle of a riot. He may be knocking over a bank or armored car somewhere, but that's a whole different thing entirely.

 

[Marginal]

is france still burning? And does anyone think france would have fallen as far as it has --if it's citizens were armed?

Worked great with those "Bubba squads" in LA.

wonder what would happen in america if islamofascists began an uprising and started burning cars in our streets? just wondering. --it would be a little differant since americans still bear arms.

Yeah, no mass riots have occured in the US. Ever.

 

[sgtmac_46]

Worked great with those "Bubba squads" in LA.



Yeah, no mass riots have occured in the US. Ever.

Yeah, but they usually stay restricted to burning their own neighborhoods. Not many spread beyond the communities of the rioters.

I could be mistaken, but I don't recall any nation-wide riots in recent memory, or even any that incompassed more than certain specific geographic portion of a larger urban area. Perhaps someone could refresh my memory on this.

I never could understand the point of burning your own homes and businesses in protest of something.....I guess i'm just silly that way.

Just for my own curiosity, what is a 'Bubba squad'?