RRouuselot
Master of Arts
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What do you mean by "suffered"?upnorthkyosa said:Has DKI suffered under these claims?
Actually given the mind set of most Okinawa masters I have encountered I can understand his comments.bignick said:I think there is a bit of a problem with some of the logic in some statements. Like, "Why would any Grand Master demonstrate a kata? They wouldn't...."
I just don't see the reasoning behind that statement...why wouldn't he? Just seems to be a statement without any weight behind it...
3 hours of training with Soken and "video taping" 6 seminars of my teacher...Adept said:Oh noes! He said he spent three hours with a guy, and he might have lied about it!
Storm, meet teacup.
I'm sorry but that sounds like unconscionable rudeness on your part - at least in how you describe the situation. Something along the line of "... I'm sorry but I really don't do exhibitions, please excuse me now" might have better represented your art.RRouuselot said:Here is an example of the martial culture difference between the US and Japan/Okinawa.
Several years ago I was at a Budo seminar and was walking with my sai in hand to the dojo area intent on training when I was approached by a rather obnoxious “Nisei” (second generation abroad Japanese) and he said “Hey my wife wants to see how Sai are used. Can you show her something?” I said “no, sorry”. He kept asking “she really wants to see something…..just one flip or something…come on…” I looked him straight in the eye and replied: “I don’t train in martial arts for others amusement. If your wife wants to be entertained tell her to go rent a movie”
Obviously nuance doesnt travel over the Internet well. My reaction was appropriate after being asked about 4 or 5 times and politely refusing .Jonathan Randall said:I'm sorry but that sounds like unconscionable rudeness on your part - at least in how you describe the situation. Something along the line of "... I'm sorry but I really don't do exhibitions, please excuse me now" might have better represented your art.
Agreed on both points, that's why I put the disclaimer about "sounding" in.RRouuselot said:Obviously nuance doesn’t travel over the Internet well. My reaction was appropriate after being asked about 4 or 5 times and politely refusing .
The point I was alluding to is that many westerners think martial arts are for performing and entertainment. The guy asking me to “perform” for his wife’s amusement like some kind of “trained seal” should have stopped asking after the first “no, sorry”, but he instead he chose to be a persistent *** didn’t, even though he was a martial artist himself and should have understood the where I was coming from.
RRouuselot said:What do you mean by "suffered"?
upnorthkyosa said:1)[font="] [/font]Have numbers in the organization dropped?
2)[font="] [/font]Have people begun asking some of these questions inside the organization?
3)[font="] [/font]Has their credability been damaged?
4)[font="] [/font]Putting your own opinions aside, do MAists in Okinawa and Japan regard Mr. Dillman and his art with respect?
RRouuselot said:1)[font="] [/font]I wouldnt know I havent taken any statistics. Have you?
2)[font="] [/font]Again, how would I know? I am not a member and do not want to be.
3)[font="] [/font]I would say Dillmans has since he claimed he got secrets (scrolls, techniques, etc) from Soken and several sources that were there at his 1 and only meeting with Soken state he never received such instruction or scrolls. I found Dillmans story hard to believe the first time I heard it since Soken only spoke Spanish and Okinawan dialect.
4)[font="] [/font]I would say most that come in contact with him do not. I know of several specific teachers (that shall go nameless) that do not.
RRouuselot said:Here is an example of the martial culture difference between the US and Japan/Okinawa.
Several years ago I was at a Budo seminar and was walking with my sai in hand to the dojo area intent on training when I was approached by a rather obnoxious Nisei (second generation abroad Japanese) and he said Hey my wife wants to see how Sai are used. Can you show her something? I said no, sorry. He kept asking she really wants to see something ..just one flip or something come on I looked him straight in the eye and replied: I dont train in martial arts for others amusement. If your wife wants to be entertained tell her to go rent a movie
No sir numbers have not dropped.upnorthkyosa said:Have numbers in the organization dropped? Have people begun asking some of these questions inside the organization? Has their credability been damaged?
Putting your own opinions aside, do MAists in Okinawa and Japan regard Mr. Dillman and his art with respect?
Yet we do see video of Chosei Motubu performing the entire Motubu-ryu. Also, The Mabuna doing the same for his art. Choki Motubu had himself photographed performing kata and techniques, Funakoshi did the same thing and gave public demos of kata all the time. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule about it.RRouuselot said:Actually given the mind set of most Okinawa masters I have encountered I can understand his comments.
High ranking elder Okinawa Karate Masters are not really in the habit of performing like trained seals, giving private demos or private instruction to people they dont know.
One thing that has to be considered is the martial culture in Okinawa is very different from that in the west and until one trains in Okinawa or Japan it is really hard to describe and document all the differences much of which is conveyed non-verbally in the first place. A major difference is many Okinawa dojo are not run in the business sense that western dojo are ..they dont really try to recruit students by giving a demo of their style. This has to do with "hinkaku"......It was also mentioned that Soken was rather ill, so much so that he had to return to Okinawa.
Well put sirDanjo said:Yet we do see video of Chosei Motubu performing the entire Motubu-ryu. Also, The Mabuna doing the same for his art. Choki Motubu had himself photographed performing kata and techniques, Funakoshi did the same thing and gave public demos of kata all the time. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule about it.
Hi,Danjo said:Yet we do see video of Chosei Motubu performing the entire Motubu-ryu. Also, The Mabuna doing the same for his art. Choki Motubu had himself photographed performing kata and techniques, Funakoshi did the same thing and gave public demos of kata all the time. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule about it.