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[shesulsa]

I dunno ... when I think of how the right rallies the churches of America to their cause I have to ask myself: "Self, ..." "... what's the most morally corrupt, anti-American tactic; buying a piece of property next to someone who you think really needs to hear your message (legally fine) or inciting the opiating effects of religion and God to back your state message (legally NOT fine)?"

I have a lot of respect for all the people who laid down their lives and families to preserve our freedoms in this land - one of which is the freedom of religion and its absence in the state. Thank the Lord above there are pastors like this one.

Oh Ms. Sheehan ... should I bring my own lawn chair? And can I protest what I want to as well?

 

[michaeledward]

one of which is the freedom of religion and its absence in the state. Thank the Lord above there are pastors like this one.

Oh Ms. Sheehan ... should I bring my own lawn chair? And can I protest what I want to as well?

Isn't that a great article. Almost gives one faith, in faith, again.

I believe in 2009 (When GW abandons his ranch / the presidency), Ms. Sheehan is going to donate or convert the property to a park.

 

[shesulsa]

Isn't that a great article. Almost gives one faith, in faith, again.

I believe in 2009 (When GW abandons his ranch / the presidency), Ms. Sheehan is going to donate or convert the property to a park.

How morally corrupt of her ... :boing2:

 

[Cryozombie]

So, please, bring on the Democratic quotes that slander Republicans ... but remember, at this point in our country, Democrats have almost no power.

Wait... Lemme get this straight... you are saying since they have no other power they have simply resorted to namecalling, and thats appropriate?

Michael, honestly, the Democratic party is killing itself. I think that kind of thinking is speeding it along. For the past term and a half *I* have seen the democratic party as a bunch of crybabys and sore losers, and honestly I only put a minor piece of my attention towords politics in general... I can't imagine how its percieved by people who it is meat and milk to.

Now, that said, personally I feel the direction they are going is good for this country. They should keep crying and whining so no one takes them seriously. That way when the next election rolls around, and people are fed up with the abuses of the republican party, maybe we have a chance for some real leadership instead of a Fat Cat Puppet of the party.

 

[Cryozombie]

I have a lot of respect for all the people who laid down their lives and families to preserve our freedoms in this land - one of which is the freedom of religion and its absence in the state.

I still feel thats debatable. Its written the other way around, freedom from the state in religion, (congress shall make no law respecting establishment of religion or prohibiting the free excercise thereof), but the best arguments I have gotten as to why that is not the case is citations of letters from the writers and other "statements of intent"... Which I would be willing to accept as arguments if the same people presenting them were not saying the same kind of source material was not accptable to prove that the 2nd amendment held water.

 

[michaeledward]

Wait... Lemme get this straight... you are saying since they have no other power they have simply resorted to namecalling, and thats appropriate?

Michael, honestly, the Democratic party is killing itself. I think that kind of thinking is speeding it along. For the past term and a half *I* have seen the democratic party as a bunch of crybabys and sore losers, and honestly I only put a minor piece of my attention towords politics in general... I can't imagine how its percieved by people who it is meat and milk to.

I don't know why some people think I speak for the Democratic Party. Remember, I voted Nader and Kucinich, for Pete's Sake.

But, to ignore the rule changes put into congress under Gingrich, Delay, Boehner, is to deceive yourself about what is happening in Washington. While being unaware of those rule changes is forgivable, because who really wants to pay attention to that crap anyway, is another step toward the end of the American experiment.

But, as long as you aren't interested in what is going on in Congress, they understanding why you have a perception of Democrats as crybabies, will also be beyond your reach.

I recommend the much slandered movie, 'The Big Buy'. While I haven't seen it, it encapsulates some of the abuses of the 12 year, Republican Congress

 

[FearlessFreep]

Remember, I voted Nader and Kucinich, for Pete's Sake.

Pbtbtbt...you're mainstream. I voted Peroutka

 

[Rich Parsons]

I dunno ... when I think of how the right rallies the churches of America to their cause I have to ask myself: "Self, ..." "... what's the most morally corrupt, anti-American tactic; buying a piece of property next to someone who you think really needs to hear your message (legally fine) or inciting the opiating effects of religion and God to back your state message (legally NOT fine)?"

I have a lot of respect for all the people who laid down their lives and families to preserve our freedoms in this land - one of which is the freedom of religion and its absence in the state. Thank the Lord above there are pastors like this one.

Oh Ms. Sheehan ... should I bring my own lawn chair? And can I protest what I want to as well?

"G" et al,

While I am 100% behind you on the use of Religion and "GOD" to get votes, I also have issues with any party that goes after "Knee Jerk" reactions based upon emotions and or religious faith. Both parties and there members are guilty of this.

To me it is sad. And a major problem with our system.

People break everything down to an emotional issues and the big issues many times that could be emotional as well are ignored. Our pushed aside.

 

[Don Roley]

I dunno ... when I think of how the right rallies the churches of America to their cause I have to ask myself: "Self, ..." "... what's the most morally corrupt, anti-American tactic; buying a piece of property next to someone who you think really needs to hear your message (legally fine) or inciting the opiating effects of religion and God to back your state message (legally NOT fine)?"

When abortion protestors use that logic it scares me. People have a right to say what they want. People have a right to not listen or agree.

For one side to say that their message is so important that they have to go to extreme lengths to get people to listen to it, it is scary. Whether it is abortion protestors surrounding clinics and pushing photos in women's faces or Sheehan- the principle is the same. I do not know how many people that back Sheehan would allow abortion protestors to do the same if they had the power and vice versa. But for me, both cases are wrong.

 

[michaeledward]

When abortion protestors use that logic it scares me. People have a right to say what they want. People have a right to not listen or agree.

For one side to say that their message is so important that they have to go to extreme lengths to get people to listen to it, it is scary. Whether it is abortion protestors surrounding clinics and pushing photos in women's faces or Sheehan- the principle is the same. I do not know how many people that back Sheehan would allow abortion protestors to do the same if they had the power and vice versa. But for me, both cases are wrong.

The property Ms. Sheehan has purchased is 7 miles from the Bush ranch. If only abortion protestors stayed 7 miles from the clinics.

"Extreme Lengths", indeed.

 

[Rich Parsons]

The property Ms. Sheehan has purchased is 7 miles from the Bush ranch. If only abortion protestors stayed 7 miles from the clinics.

"Extreme Lengths", indeed.

So she buys land in the lcoal area to say she has a reason to be there.

And she is not going to drive by someone's land and just have a flat and also some signs? Or maybe in the easeway along the road have a nice little picnic?

I also agree that Abortion Protestor should stay further away. But what I see here is someone using the same system she is complaigning about to make her point. Using the rights that are hers but in a protest format, that in most places require public filing for events to help pay for the cost of police and security.

So if you lived in the same neighborhood, would it be ok for her to protest and it to increase the cost of police and security and they now have to raise the taxes to pay for this. Now I understand it may not be at this point, but at what point is there a line to be drawn?

 

[michaeledward]

So she buys land in the lcoal area to say she has a reason to be there.

And she is not going to drive by someone's land and just have a flat and also some signs? Or maybe in the easeway along the road have a nice little picnic?

I also agree that Abortion Protestor should stay further away. But what I see here is someone using the same system she is complaigning about to make her point. Using the rights that are hers but in a protest format, that in most places require public filing for events to help pay for the cost of police and security.

So if you lived in the same neighborhood, would it be ok for her to protest and it to increase the cost of police and security and they now have to raise the taxes to pay for this. Now I understand it may not be at this point, but at what point is there a line to be drawn?

Each community can establish property laws ...

I can't burn lawn wastes on my property without a permit, and prior notification to the fire department. I'm sure Crawford can enact laws detailing what citizen can and can not do on their property in the community.

If she has rights, can't she use them however she pleases? Else, they are not rights, correct?

So, perhaps the town will enact some laws to restrict the rights of "dumb democrats".

 

[Rich Parsons]

Each community can establish property laws ...

I can't burn lawn wastes on my property without a permit, and prior notification to the fire department. I'm sure Crawford can enact laws detailing what citizen can and can not do on their property in the community.

If she has rights, can't she use them however she pleases? Else, they are not rights, correct?

So, perhaps the town will enact some laws to restrict the rights of "dumb democrats".

michaeledward,

I never once said anything about "dumb democrats". I am not trying to make this a party issue. If you thought I was please point out the comments that lead you to think as such so I can review and learn from them.

I agree she has the rights on her property. And she should be able to throw a party and have any signs that meet her local laws. What I was trying to say was that she could go to someone else's house and sit outside their house and make a point. Our causing a scene so as to get more press and publicity so she get her point on the air. And this cost money to make sure that no one gets hurt. That was my point. Sorry I was not clearer.

 

[Don Roley]

Our causing a scene so as to get more press and publicity so she get her point on the air. And this cost money to make sure that no one gets hurt. That was my point. Sorry I was not clearer.

And when someone like that moves into your area, no matter what politics you have, you tend to not welcome them with open arms.

 

[Cryozombie]

So, perhaps the town will enact some laws to restrict the rights of "dumb democrats".

So up in arms about that Dumb Democrats statement.

Youd think the guy didnt have the RIGHT to say it.

 

[shesulsa]

If it's okay for him to say "dumb democrats" can we say "stupid republicans?" After all, it is our right.

Don, the line of rights is a fine one, indeed and there are no easy answers in this great democratic experiment. But we must have some level of tolerance to be free. It is our responsibility as people to explore all that we can about our freedoms, their cost, what history has to offer about relenquishing our rights in face of fear of terrorism, communism, socialism, ism-ism ... but how many truly do?

What confounds me is when one side thinks they have all the rights to do and say as they please just so long at the "dumb" other party doesn't make it difficult for them to do so. meh ...

 

[michaeledward]

I never once said anything about "dumb democrats". I am not trying to make this a party issue. If you thought I was please point out the comments that lead you to think as such so I can review and learn from them.

Rich Parsons, the phrase 'dumb democrat' was used by a Crawford resident as part of his objection to Ms. Sheehan acquiring property in the town. That link can be found above.

So up in arms about that Dumb Democrats statement.

Youd think the guy didnt have the RIGHT to say it.

Why would you think that?



I do think that 'Gated Communities' are a bad idea for our country. As are the 'Active Adult 55+' communities I see all around my neighborhood. You know, there is probably something disagreeable with 'Chinatown' in the big cities too.

Yep, somehow, I think that segregation is a less good idea, and integration is a better idea. And I think it is irrelevant as to how people are segragating themselves, even Political Parties.

But, I expect we will never rid ourselves of 'Dumbth', as Steve Allen used to say.

 

[Cryozombie]

If it's okay for him to say "dumb democrats" can we say "stupid republicans?" After all, it is our right.

Yeah, its pretty much said all the time anyhow. Its no skin off my back either way, because first of all, its just words, words can only hurt if you allow them to do so. I'm called "Fencerider" all the time by my friends because i refuse to pick a party and stick by and support them... oh well. Its just a word. And second of all, even if the magic words had power, it wouldnt bother me, because I make no claims to either side.

The Dumb Democrats and Stupid republicans can have all the fun they want slinging names at each other. Its their right after all. If people dont like it, they can always buy a Piece of land and launch a protest against our free speech rights.

 

[shesulsa]

Yeah, its pretty much said all the time anyhow. Its no skin off my back either way, because first of all, its just words, words can only hurt if you allow them to do so. I'm called "Fencerider" all the time by my friends because i refuse to pick a party and stick by and support them... oh well. Its just a word. And second of all, even if the magic words had power, it wouldnt bother me, because I make no claims to either side.

The Dumb Democrats and Stupid republicans can have all the fun they want slinging names at each other. Its their right after all. If people dont like it, they can always buy a Piece of land and launch a protest against our free speech rights.

Fellow fencerider ... :cheers:

 

[Rich Parsons]

Rich Parsons, the phrase 'dumb democrat' was used by a Crawford resident as part of his objection to Ms. Sheehan acquiring property in the town. That link can be found above.

MichaelEdward,

While I may have seen that there comment in a link, it was not mentioned here in this thread, and I did not ask my question or make my points to make it political.

Thank you for the clarification.