Cyprus' savers bear brunt of unprecedented bailout

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[h=1]Cyprus' savers bear brunt of unprecedented bailout[/h] Sat, Mar 16 2013

By Annika Breidthardt and Robin Emmott and Michele Kambas

BRUSSELS/NICOSIA (Reuters)EXCERPT:
- The euro zone agreed on Saturday to hand Cyprus a bailout worth 10 billion euros ($13 billion), but demanded depositors in its banks forfeit some money to stave off bankruptcy despite the risk of a wider run on savings.

The eastern Mediterranean island becomes the fifth country after Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain to turn to the euro zone for financial help during the region's debt crisis.
In a radical departure from previous aid packages - and one that gave rise to incredulity and anger across the country - euro zone finance ministers forced Cyprus' savers to pay up to 10 percent of their deposits to raise almost 6 billion euros.
Parliament was due to meet on Sunday to vote on the measure, and approval was far from assured.
The decision prompted a run on cashpoints, most of which were depleted by mid afternoon, and co-operative credit societies closed to prevent angry savers withdrawing deposits.
Almost half Cyprus's bank depositors are believed to be non-resident Russians, but most queuing on Saturday at automatic teller machines appeared to be Cypriots.
President Nicos Anastasiades, elected three weeks ago with a pledge to negotiate a swift bailout, said refusal to agree to terms would have led to the collapse of the two largest banks.
"On Tuesday ... We would either choose the catastrophic scenario of disorderly bankruptcy or the scenario of a painful but controlled management of the crisis," Anastasiades said in written statement.
In several statements since his election, he had previously categorically ruled out a deposit haircut.
"My initial reaction is one of shock," said Nicholas Papadopoulos, head of parliament's financial affairs committee. "This decision is much worse than what we expected and contrary to what the government was assuring us, right up until last night," he told Reuters, without saying whether he would back the measure or whether he thought it would pass.
Papadopoulos is vice-chairman of the Democratic Party, a partner in Cyprus's centre-right ruling coalition and whose support in parliament will be crucial to pass any haircut.
Parliament was expected to convene from 1600 local (1400 GMT) on Sunday to discuss the emergency legislation. Without parliamentary approval, a haircut cannot take place.
'THEFT, PURE AND SIMPLE'
The bailout was smaller than initially expected and is mainly needed to recapitalize Cypriot banks that were hit by a sovereign debt restructuring in Greece.
The deposit levy - set at 9.9 percent on bank deposits exceeding 100,000 euros and 6.7 percent on anything below that - will take place on Tuesday after a bank holiday on Monday.
To guard against capital flight, Cyprus took immediate steps to prevent electronic money transfers over the weekend.
At one cashpoint in the capital Nicosia, a pensioner couple said they had visited several automatic teller machines without success. "We are trying to pull as much as we can," one told Reuters, reaching for a wallet containing four debit cards.
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It is an absurdity, aye :nods:. Amidst an ocean of obscenity wherein the ordinary person bails out the unfettered gamblers of a Capitalist system that has lost it's way this is a cut above in the blatancy of it's robbing of the wealth creators to pay for the failures of the wealth wasters.
 

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It's not entirely on-topic with this thread but whilst looking into this issue I came across an interesting little chart of the Left-Right, Totalitarian-Liberal tendencies of the various countries in the EU. It surprised me I do confess:

http://politicalcompass.org/euchart
 

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By the way (last side-step I promise) on the site linked to above there is also a test to see where your own political compass points. I was quite surprised by my results as I thought I'd turned much more Right Wing and Authoritarian as I'd grown older. My outcome to the six pages of questions was:

http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-7.88&soc=-1.28
 

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By the way (last side-step I promise) on the site linked to above there is also a test to see where your own political compass points. I was quite surprised by my results as I thought I'd turned much more Right Wing and Authoritarian as I'd grown older. My outcome to the six pages of questions was:

http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-7.88&soc=-1.28
There is an apocryphal quote for that:
"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."
 

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I was quite surprised by my results as I thought I'd turned much more Right Wing and Authoritarian as I'd grown older.
OMG! Karl,I was only two lines to your right and one line down ... and I thought I was right wing! For what it's worth, I'm not far from Ghandi!

Hang on a tick! Is this an American site? :)
 

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Re: Cyprus bailout

Someday paper currency will be a thing of the past.
 
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Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit fame:
If I were a Republican in Congress, I’d introduce a bill — tomorrow! — banning, and, in fact, criminalizing, such seizures in the United States. That would be popular, and if the Democrats were dumb enough to oppose it, it would make people wonder what they were up to.
A shame not one of them has the balls to do it.
 

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As Margaret Thatcher was once said to have said, "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Then you have to go after their savings because you already taxed that money once and they still had enough left to put into a savings account. If people would just give all of their money to the government as they earn it, and just accept an allowance from the government, then there wouldn't be all this commotion when the government takes more of what the people owe it...

Just for the record Sukerkin, I know you may have been surprised by the result of the test, but I don't think any of the American conservatives here on the study were, and I don't mean it as an attack, but your views are more left than right from the American perspective...

I can't finish the test just now, but the questions aren't all that great...so don't be too worried...yet...
 

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Here I am on the test...

[h=2]Economic Left/Right: 7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.90[/h]
pcgraphpng.php
 

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How'd you get the image to link in, Bill? When I tried it complained about invalid file type. Let's try it via the local route ...

[h=2]Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.28[/h]
$politcal compass test.png
 

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I am not a fan of some of the questions. I would like the option to reject the premise. I've always been at the bottom of the chart. As I've gotten older, I've simply drifted over to the right.

That said, I think people need to protect their own money. All governments are predatory by nature they need to be treated as such. Buy metals, buy bitcoin, find ways of taking your wealth off of the worthless paper gunpoint musical chairs money system that governments created. This is just the opening salvo in the war of the irresponsible on the responsible. When any group can vote themselves other people's money, there is no safe place for wealth under the eyes of the law.
 

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I see you got it Sukerkin...I hate it when you try to post a picture and you can't get the magic box to work properly...
 

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Aye. I was also quite surprised that politically we are about on the same line - we just vary hugely on economics :). For I think from the questions that is what they used to determine the Left-Right bias whilst the questions on certain freedoms of the individual is what they used for the Authoritarian-Liberal axis.
 

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I looked at a few things in your link Sukerkin and it verified something that I suspected for a while now. The "right," in Europe, is really the far left here in America. For example, the site talks about the "right," wing BNP. As I thought when I read Tez and others posts about them..."hey, these guys are just really, really, left."

http://politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010

Similarly, the extreme left identifies a strong degree of state economic control, which may also be accompanied by liberal or authoritarian social policies. It's muddled thinking to simply describe the likes of the British National Party as "extreme right". The truth is that on issues like health, transport, housing, protectionism and globalisation, their economics are left of Labour, let alone the Conservatives. It's in areas like police power, military power, school discipline, law and order, race and nationalism that the BNP's real extremism - as authoritarians - is clear. It's easy to see how the term national socialism came into being. The uncomfortable reality is that much of their support comes from former Labour voters.

One of the differences between our views on "left," and "right," is that in America, the left stands for bigger and bigger government, the "Right," in America stands for less government as you see in American Conservatism and even more "right," Libertarianism.
 

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:nods: I've said it a few times (and I never meant to be insulting when I did) is that your two main parties in America are the Right and the Really Far Right :D.
 

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