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Some opinions on the technology that may have been used in the helicopter.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/world/asia/06helicopter.html?_r=1
So, the black helicopters really do exist. LOL!
I still think that coca cola has better assasination teams.
yorkshirelad
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Well as you are a Provo supporter I don't expect you ever to agree with me or stop twisting my words or to stop attacking me. You made your position quite clear when you accused the Paras of beating up pregnant women. A Provo lie.
Warrenpoint
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/27/newsid_3891000/3891055.stm
and this http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/4/newsid_4148000/4148933.stm
This is seriously the most disgusting damn thread I've read in a long *** time.
It is also extremely revealing.
Public Enemy number one is dead. A Democrat authorized the strike.
So because a Democrat did it, everything is bad and wrong.
Torture, which is designed to incite terror, is okay, but terrorism is evil.
I don't think it's funny. I think it's disgusting and dangerous and I think to treat it any other way is to hand off the country to greedy people who are carelessly misguided and misguiding.
Make no mistake - this is not harmless stupidity. Don't treat it as such.
It is also extremely revealing.
Public Enemy number one is dead. A Democrat authorized the strike.
So because a Democrat did it, everything is bad and wrong.
Torture, which is designed to incite terror, is okay, but terrorism is evil.
I don't think it's funny. I think it's disgusting and dangerous and I think to treat it any other way is to hand off the country to greedy people who are carelessly misguided and misguiding.
Make no mistake - this is not harmless stupidity. Don't treat it as such.
yorkshirelad
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Um........... I'm not a Provo supporter!
yorkshirelad
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What the President did was great! It was balsy! It was courageous! If anyone says otherwise, it's because their ideology has blinded them! Obama as one of his campaign promises vowed to hunt bin Laden where-ever he may be and he came through. I am by no means an Obama fan in general, but the moment I heard the initial press conference, I was immensley proud of him.Waterboarding worked and it worked as it is intended to work. No-one gave up valuable information when being waterboarded, that's not how it works. The individual is asked questions that the interrogator already knows the answers to when the individual in question is being waterboarded. When the idividual eventually breaks, they begin to give the truthful answers to these questions. After the coersed interrogations are stopped the interrogator will continue to aske questions that he already knows the answers to, until he is satified that he can then gain valuable previously unknown intel. The method worked.In short, I am proud of President Obama for going into a foreign country's souvreign territory, without authorization (suppossedly), to execute a piece of **** who ordered thousands of US citizens dead. I am also proud of the previous administration's tactics that lead to the intel that lead to the location of UBL. Good job lads!!
yorkshirelad
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For some reason, I still an not able to separate paragraphs!
We're done, you've shown your true colours.
yorkshirelad
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Why, because I don't support the provos? You're confusing me Irene!
KELLYG
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I am relieved that osama is dead, but I am more concerned about the future ramifications of his death. I am not well versed with all of the legalities, politics, and party lines that have been discussed her. This is my personal simple view on this. There have been laws treaties, conventions written and supported by the united nations and other states as well since WWII that states, specifically, not to torture people. There are also presidential directives against assassination.
I understand that osama has been in the cross hairs for year with the "wanted dead or alive thing" My major concern is, that if we as a country do not uphold our word, with all the treaties and other legal instruments concerning assassination and torture, then we loose credibility in the world. My personal belief is that a man is only good as his word, and this should apply to the country as well. <<Simplistic I know>>
This assassination, in my opinion has opened Pandora's box. Everyone is now fair game anywhere any time and in any country. Sorry guys you can not twist and change what is right and what is wrong, according to the change of winds, before someone calls you out on it.
I understand that osama has been in the cross hairs for year with the "wanted dead or alive thing" My major concern is, that if we as a country do not uphold our word, with all the treaties and other legal instruments concerning assassination and torture, then we loose credibility in the world. My personal belief is that a man is only good as his word, and this should apply to the country as well. <<Simplistic I know>>
This assassination, in my opinion has opened Pandora's box. Everyone is now fair game anywhere any time and in any country. Sorry guys you can not twist and change what is right and what is wrong, according to the change of winds, before someone calls you out on it.
It's being reported on the BBC news as well as in newspapers that Bin Laden wasn't killed in a firefight, the troops weren't shot at as only one man was armed. It seems this was an execution after all. this is one of the reports, Many other news agencies seem to be carrying the same story.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/04/osama-bin-laden-killing-us-story-change
The problem I think is going to be more all the contradictions by American officials rather than the actual operation. It seems to have turned from an heroic 'battle' to a cold blooded killing. The hype and publicity around this could and should of been handled much better than this. 'Fog of war' doesn't cover it, the President and others were shown to have been watching it all happen live so why the 'confusion'?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/04/osama-bin-laden-killing-us-story-change
The problem I think is going to be more all the contradictions by American officials rather than the actual operation. It seems to have turned from an heroic 'battle' to a cold blooded killing. The hype and publicity around this could and should of been handled much better than this. 'Fog of war' doesn't cover it, the President and others were shown to have been watching it all happen live so why the 'confusion'?
yorkshirelad
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The killing of UBL has actually been good for the US. It sends a message! The President told the word that he would hunt these people and find them wherever they were. He's done as he promised! Let's hope the world takes notice!
yorkshirelad
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Here we go again!!
The bastard's dead! He had it coming! I'm just bummed that Zawahiri wasn't in the next room.
LuckyKBoxer
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some people only seem to understand terror. Do you really think a terrorist, an extremist, someone who is so dedicated to ending our existence that they will give their own lives will actually react in the way we want to anything else? Maybe we need to be extra nice and say pleaseeeeeee
ummm ya that will work..
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LuckyKBoxer
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see this is what happens when Americans pretend to give a crap what the rest of the world thinks. I would rather we be unapologetic about it. He deserved to die, I dont care how it happened, it did and now its over, move on.
yorkshirelad
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Actually there are so far about 18 changes to the initial story. This is why I call it amatuer hour. They debrief these guys, someone in charge needed to read the debrief and put out one story, or they should have said they were not going to discuss the operational details of the raid. Tez mentioned they watched it live, apparently that may not be the case. Other story changes I heard today,
1) the helicopter had some sort of engine stall, changed to helicopter blade clipped wall
2) Osama was clothed, osama was naked
3) there was an intense firefight, there was very little shooting after the first floor
4) Osama was armed, osama was not armed, osama had an AK 47 near by that he was reaching for
5) They killed one of his wives, they did not kill one of his wives
There are about 18 story changes, not saying they lied, but come on. The biggest story of the year and they don't prepare for the press coverage.
1) the helicopter had some sort of engine stall, changed to helicopter blade clipped wall
2) Osama was clothed, osama was naked
3) there was an intense firefight, there was very little shooting after the first floor
4) Osama was armed, osama was not armed, osama had an AK 47 near by that he was reaching for
5) They killed one of his wives, they did not kill one of his wives
There are about 18 story changes, not saying they lied, but come on. The biggest story of the year and they don't prepare for the press coverage.
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