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And again at 12:18Is it just me, or is he doing a Tan Da at 11:15?
And again at 12:18
In both instances he is saying to intercept the attack arm as you counter attack by going forward. The attack arm is not on the center so would that be an instance of arm chasing as describe by some?
The Tan Sau is part of the system. I see this section of the video as more of an overall explanation, or general instruction. As we all know, it's sometimes easier to explain basic principals with an obvious scenario and willing partner.Is it just me, or is he doing a Tan Da at 11:15?
If the heat were on, WSL would have most likely used a more direct application and would not have bothered with the Tan. But again, when teaching and showing examples, sometimes the situation just isn't perfect.And again at 12:18
In both instances he is saying to intercept the attack arm as you counter attack by going forward. The attack arm is not on the center so would that be an instance of arm chasing as describe by some?
So he is teaching to intercept by moving forward with power with a chasing hand principle of which we aren't supposed to do and applying an indirect tan structure that is actually a training of the elbow for the punch.If the heat were on, WSL would have most likely used a more direct application and would not have bothered with the Tan. But again, when teaching and showing examples, sometimes the situation just isn't perfect.
So he is teaching to intercept by moving forward with power with a chasing hand principle of which we aren't supposed to do and applying an indirect tan structure that is actually a training of the elbow for the punch.
Interesting.
He is showing exactly the opposite of chasing the arm. In fact, he shows that if you remain in place and try to block the arm you will get hit.
Exactly. It's also important to note that the slight diagonal angle that WSL is attacking from is still on center, also a core WSLVT principal.
I thought you were "done" again.
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I said I was done trying to have any kind of productive discussion with you and Guy. Not that I was done posting.
Out of curiosity, why all the critique?
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He is showing exactly the opposite of chasing the arm. In fact, he shows that if you remain in place and try to block the arm you will get hit. Instead, he shows to control the space by moving quickly forward and on a slight diagonal, "cutting off" the punch and striking simultaneously. This is a consistent theme in WSLVT.
Callen, you have to realize that Guy and LFJ have given WSLVT people a very bad rep here. Recent threads are a perfect example of why. Not long ago there was a long discussion where they both vehemently denied that WSLVT taught the Tan Da motion, despite people showing several pictures of WSLVT people and WSL himself performing a Tan Da! And now here we see WSL doing a Tan Da during a seminar in which you yourself noted that he is teaching many core principles of WSLVT. But I am sure the "dynamic duo" would still deny that Tan Da is used in WSLVT! Or they will now figure out a way to argue that this is not REALLY what they meant in that prior discussion!![]()
Callen, you have to realize that Guy and LFJ have given WSLVT people a very bad rep here. Recent threads are a perfect example of why. Not long ago there was a long discussion where they both vehemently denied that WSLVT taught the Tan Da motion, despite people showing several pictures of WSLVT people and WSL himself performing a Tan Da! And now here we see WSL doing a Tan Da during a seminar in which you yourself noted that he is teaching many core principles of WSLVT. But I am sure the "dynamic duo" would still deny that Tan Da is used in WSLVT! Or they will now figure out a way to argue that this is not REALLY what they meant in that prior discussion!![]()
We all have to pick our battles. I don't see any real reason to go back and forth about what either one of their opinions might be in regards to what is or what isn't used in WSLVT (no offense to you of course). Why bother trying to find error in anyone else's understanding of the system. Be you, let others be themselves and focus on your own Wing Chun.
Starting a thread using a WSL video in an attempt to illustrate how others are wrong is simply seeking an argument. Having more humility removes the ego's need for something to prove. In the Wing Chun community, we are always going to hear different people share their personal interpretations of the system. It's up to us as good stewards to receive that information and decide what to do with it. We can chose to learn from it, we can take it personally, or we can let it go and accept that there are opinions other than our own.
Let's all give a shout-out to Wude, or Mo Dak, and not forget that Wing Chun is a Traditional Chinese form of Gong Fu. We should remember Wing Chun's cultural roots and allow true respect and humility to come to the forefront. Let it go...
I said I was done trying to have any kind of productive discussion with you and Guy.
I will try to ignore them as best I can going forward.
Not long ago there was a long discussion where they both vehemently denied that WSLVT taught the Tan Da motion, despite people showing several pictures of WSLVT people and WSL himself performing a Tan Da!
And now here we see WSL doing a Tan Da during a seminar
I only made the comment that I did because the dynamic duo tried to say that the Hok Bong in Pin Sun is indirect and the very definition of hand chasing according to them. And yet it controls the space and opens up the path for the punch coming almost simultaneously behind it.