WTF clubs that credits General Choi as founder and/or developer of TaeKwonDo

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  1. Dirty Dog

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    Exactly. He might as well call it a punch. After all, it uses the hand.
     
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    If you don't see the core difference between these, there's a problem.
     
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    But not the same if you're doing an entirely different kick, using an entirely different part of the foot.
     
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    Nor is a vertical vs horizontal turning kick with different parts of the foot as point of impacts. We call them both turning kick, or in "american terms" roundhouse kicks.
     
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    So you don't think the instep compared to ball of the foot is equally an entirely different part of the foot as the different striking surface between a ridge hand and knifehand?

    Really?
     
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    There's a reason why you don't understand this strike and why it hasn't been taught to you (but has to others in your class much as you might disagree).

    It first appears in Choong Moo, and you are not there yet.

    When you learn that form, your instructor will show you the fingers are straight. Or not, because not all people do it with fingers straight based on their own experiences with the strike. Some people splay the fingers, some bend them. The book says straight. But is is in now way an alternative knife hand.

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    Sorry but I reject your offer. I call it an alternative knife hand due to the hand formation resembling a knife for both techniques. In fact, the ridge hand more resembles a knife than the actual knife hand.
     
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    Stubborn as well as arrogant and ignorant. We almost have a new set of tenets.

    Check out movement 13 of Choong Moo for the correct terminology.

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    I have no quarrels with the exact terminology, but just so you know there are plenty of inaccurate terminologies.... The ITF apparently makes no distinction between a reverse turning kick and a spinning hook kick, when it's very clear that a spinning hook kick hooks with the foot (just like the normal hook kick), while the reverse turning kick has the foot planted on the target in a static foot formation.

    So I am used to inappropriate terminology in the ITF.
     
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    The encyclopedia does however differentiate between sonnal/sonkal and sonnal/sonkal deung. Knife hand and reverse knife hand.

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    Actually, the ITF does have a reverse hook kick. So that one I will take back. General Choi said reverse turning kick when Jong Soo park did a spinning/reverse hook kick, so that's where my confusion stemmed from.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the terminology isn't 'inappropriate', it could be inaccurate or false but I doubt it's inappropriate. :D:D Unless there's some really sexy writing in it or pictures perhaps?
     
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    I'm gonna vote to rename ridge hand "front knife hand strike". This will be my contribution to humanity.
     
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    Terminology will vary somewhat due to difficulties in translation - much of the terminology in TKD does not translate directly. A common example is the term "reverse punch" which in Korea means a punch from the front hand, while in most of the rest of the world it means a punch from the rear hand.
    But that's hardly the same as failing to recognize that a knifehand and a ridgehand are totally different techniques.
     
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    I knew the difference between the techniques then just as I do now, and since the hand formation is roughly similiar, I stand by alternative knife hand even though the TKD dictionary disagrees.
     
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    You should look up the word "hubris" sometime...
     
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    Is that another alternative knife hand tez?

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    Well, it DOES use an open hand, and apparently all open hands are knifehands, so...
     
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    Wait a second, " you just wrote that TKD has a reverse knife hand strike... That is exactly the same trajectory path as ridge hand... Only difference being fingers slightly bent and thumb not tucked in???
    So the motion is Not always different for a knife hand
     
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