Why didn't the TAGB adopt Sine Wave?

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  1. Acronym

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    Pretty chocked to learn this. I thought for sure the relations between the ITF and TAGB would result in them teaching Choi's sine wave addition to patterns. Especially since the TAGB is huge in GB. Only the KKWs are bigger. Scott Adkins is from the TAGB, just to name one.
     
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    I am sure it has much to do with the people involved with TAGB and their personal MA influences.
     
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    From what I understand, not even all ITF schools do sine wave.
     
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    99% do. I know of no one that doesn't but it's possible.
     
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    Where do you get your data from?
     
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    They can't compete in ITF tournament forms without it, unless they want to lose first round by default. The fact that Choi advocated it and is the founder of organization, etc.
     
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    Do you have literature that says that? Because my research suggests that sine wave was mostly phased out and is more of a fringe thing today. That even Choi stopped advocating for it after some time. I can look it up and provide sources for this later (when I'm on a PC instead of my phone), but my understanding is sine wave is taught in the minority of ITF schools.
     
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    What do you mean? Any ITF world championship has Sine wave. It's not phased out at all.
     
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    Sine Wave (ITF TKD) | Iain Abernethy

    Rayners Lane Taekwon-do Academy

    Non sine wave form videos?

    I know I'm going ruffle some feathers here. ITF practitioners, let's talk about sine wave. : taekwondo

    Thoughts on the "SINE WAVE" as established by GM Choi Hong Hi in ITF.

    Sine wave - the ups and downs | ITF Taekwon-Do Australia

    Tons and tons of examples of people who train ITF and don't do sine wave. This was from a quick Google search. I spent more time typing the quote tags than I did finding these posts. If you're going to make such bold claims, please try to be correct.
     
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    There's a difference between an ITF school and ITF off-shoot school. Some people who say "ITF" mean that particular style of TKD associated with the ITF federation (Chang hon style) but not technically ITF in terms of certificates.
     
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    TAGB is case in point. An ITF off-shoot.
     
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    Can you back that up?
     
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    I already did. All ITF world events include Sine Wave. Thus the only possible ITF school that would not use Sine Wave would be one that does not train for the sport side of Taekwondo at all.
     
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    Last time I checked, there were at least three different orgs all insisting that they are the real ITF.
     
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    And they all do Sine Wave. By "real" they refer to lineage.
     
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    You said it. You didn't provide any literature to prove it, which I asked.

    You also claimed that the people who don't do sine wave don't have a real ITF certificate. Where is your proof of that?

    As it stands, it sounds like you're just talking out of where most people sit. Back up what you say with facts. If you're as roght as you think you are, it should be easy. Show me some literature or documentation that every ITF school does sine wave, or that every competition requires it.
     
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    No I did not. I wrote that the only way for a school to give ITF certificates, in other words have direct ITF affiliation, yet not practise Sine Wave, would be to abandon ITF competition, or at the very least the forms competitions. So while they are not theoretically bound to it, they are in practise if they ever want students to compete in ITF world events in forms.
     
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    Well, not really. Because they each also insist that they are the only real ITF.
     
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    Back it up with evidence. All I have is your hearsay. And the more you talk, the less credible that hearsay sounds.
     
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    I won't do your homework. If you are not affiliated with any of the ITFs, you can't give out a certificate of any of these ITFs. This is not rocket science.

    I won't waste more time on you.123
     

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