Who are the republicans?

[billc]

Jenna, I'm not happy with any of the remaining candidates for various reasons, but I would vote for anyone of them, including Ron Paul, if it was a choice between them and Obama getting a second term. With a second term, he can allow the obamacare to actually implement which will change the country for ever. Everything that we do will come under the scrutiny of the healthcare system, that is why the democrats want it so badly. It gives them power over the citizens, in the name of giving people "free" health care, and it gives them carte blanche to raise taxes to pay for the healthcare system. The refusal to allow oil, natural gas and coal to be used for energy here in the states while giving money to foreign countries to get all of those energy types will be implemented much more quickly. Our military will be reduced to dangerous levels and our enemies around the world, Russia, China, Iran, and radical muslim terrorists will be encouraged to test us and our allies.

Ron Paul's foriegn policy, which seems to blame America first, is the reason I would not want him to be president. He has a naive world view, especially when it comes to the effects of a nuclear Iran, and it would destabilize the world as much as Obama is doing right now.

Also, there is no reason to reward Obama with a second term in office. He has been a disaster.

 

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[billc]

Jenna, here is a Dennis Prager column on Ron Paul that addresses another weakness that he shows too often, the need to blame the united states and to see it in the worst light possible...

http://www.dennisprager.com/columns...13bc&url=ron_paul_and_americas_alleged_racism

In the Republican presidential candidates’ debate on January 7, Congressman Ron Paul said: “I’m the only one up here . . . that understands true racism in this country is in the judicial system.”
He said this racism has to do with “enforcing the drug laws,”and then added: “They [blacks] get the death penalty way disproportionately.”
Two groups immediately defended Paul – his supporters, and commentators on the Left. The former support anything Paul says; and the Left supports anything that Paul says that portrays America as ugly (see, for example, the defense of Paul by Left-wing USAToday columnist Dwayne Wickham, whose columns are regularly devoted to how much blacks suffer from American racism).

Just last month,Paul was asked by a representative of an organization (WeAreChange) that holds the government responsible for 9-11, “Why won’t you come out about the truth about 9/11?”
Paul’s response: “Because I can’t handle the controversy: I have the IMF, the Federal Reserve to deal with, the IRS to deal with.Because I just have more-too many things on my plate. Because I just have too much to do.” It is readily available on YouTube.

And the truth...

The claim that America disproportionately executes blacks is a falsehood, disseminated on virtually every Left-wing website from the ACLU to all the anti-death penalty sites. The only way it can be regarded as true is if the disproportion is in relation to the entire population of the country: Blacks make up about 12% of the population and since 1976 have been about 35% of those executed for murder. But this is a statistic that tells no truth because it is meaningless in terms of determining alleged racial bias.
This is very easy to prove. Males make up about 50% of the American population but make up about 99% of those executed. Is the American justice system wildly anti-male?
Of course, not.The statistic that matters in assessing bias in executions is the proportion of murderers of a given group that is executed, not the group’s proportion of the entire population.
And, here, it is clear that blacks are actually under-represented in executions.

 

[Jenna]

Jenna, I'm not happy with any of the remaining candidates for various reasons, but I would vote for anyone of them, including Ron Paul, if it was a choice between them and Obama getting a second term. With a second term, he can allow the obamacare to actually implement which will change the country for ever. Everything that we do will come under the scrutiny of the healthcare system, that is why the democrats want it so badly. It gives them power over the citizens, in the name of giving people "free" health care, and it gives them carte blanche to raise taxes to pay for the healthcare system. The refusal to allow oil, natural gas and coal to be used for energy here in the states while giving money to foreign countries to get all of those energy types will be implemented much more quickly. Our military will be reduced to dangerous levels and our enemies around the world, Russia, China, Iran, and radical muslim terrorists will be encouraged to test us and our allies.

Ron Paul's foriegn policy, which seems to blame America first, is the reason I would not want him to be president. He has a naive world view, especially when it comes to the effects of a nuclear Iran, and it would destabilize the world as much as Obama is doing right now.

Also, there is no reason to reward Obama with a second term in office. He has been a disaster.

Thank you for your reply, I am grateful. I was particularly interested in Ron Paul since watching an article outlining the support he garnered among educated younger Americans which was not - as a non-American like me had perceived it - a normal target demographic for the GOP. It is interesting for me as an outside observer to hear what Americans feel about their potential presidential candidates. I think the impressions from way over here are not the same as are beamed around the US. I appreciate your courteous reply. Thank you.

 

[Carol]

Thank you for your reply, I am grateful. I was particularly interested in Ron Paul since watching an article outlining the support he garnered among educated younger Americans which was not - as a non-American like me had perceived it - a normal target demographic for the GOP. It is interesting for me as an outside observer to hear what Americans feel about their potential presidential candidates. I think the impressions from way over here are not the same as are beamed around the US. I appreciate your courteous reply. Thank you.

You are correct, It was not and is not a normal target demographic for the GOP. Ron Paul attracted this following despite the GOP, not because of it. He is disliked by many in the GOP mainstream.

 

[elder999]

You are correct, It was not and is not a normal target demographic for the GOP. Ron Paul attracted this following despite the GOP, not because of it. He is disliked by many in the GOP mainstream.

And, actually, Romney-Paul might just be a winning ticket for the Republicans, but it will never happen.

 

[granfire]

And, actually, Romney-Paul might just be a winning ticket for the Republicans, but it will never happen.

I bet Laura Bush/Hilary Clinton could beat them.

 

[billc]

Jenna, this is some of the thinking I would like to see coming from the republican candidates. The writer is Victor Davis Hanson...

http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/are-you-them/

On immigration...

Punish Our Enemies?
In the last week, there was more talk on illegal immigration from open-borders activists, the Obama administration, and Mexico—all to the effect that the United States has to shape up, be more caring, and start granting amnesty (“comprehensive immigration reform&#8221. But what are we missing? Did not over 11 million people enter the U.S. illegally, and without apparent care about the law? I would not drive into Mexico without legal identification, or sign affidavits that I knew were false, or abandon my car at the scene of an accident in Acapulco, or register for public assistance in Mexico City, but I am to expect others can do the reverse with impunity?
Does not the U.S. allow almost $50 billion to leave the country for Latin America in remittances? Are not American social services extended to illegal aliens at a time when states are near bankrupt? Are not nearly 50,000 illegal aliens housed in California prisons at a cost of at least $40,000 each per annum?
In other words, the United States seems to have been a generous host. Why then the unending anger and accusations, rather than frequent gratitude that one is living in Fresno rather than Oaxaca? Whether intended or not, the message is hourly becoming “you better let me come into your insensitive, illiberal, and uncaring country—or else!”
Rarely in the history of U.S. immigration have the representatives of want-to-be citizens been so angry at the majority of the country into which their constituents have decided to move. Only Orwell could explain why the Mexican government is suing the state of Arizona to force it to accept its own apparently unwanted Mexican nationals who have entered that state illegally: “You better let us export to you our own whom we cannot house or feed adequately (and often will not care to)—or else!”

This is what Ron Paul should be saying...but doesn't...and then blames the United States...

Why Are We Culpable?
I see no reason to apologize or bow abroad. I am all too aware that we helped save Muslims in Kosovo, Bosnia, Kuwait, Afghanistan, and Somalia and send them billions in aid to the West Bank, Egypt, and Jordan. I have no guilt about the Europeans. We have paid trillions in dollars for their defense, after saving them from Germany twice, and are far less protectionist in our trade policies than are they. Compared to the caste system in India, racialism in China and Japan, tribal chauvinism in the Arab World, and class distinctions in Europe, I find the U.S. pretty open and fair, meritocratic if you will.
Why, then, would I wish to kowtow to Saudi or Japanese royals, or to apologize in Turkey for past sins?

And about America compared to other nations...

Post-American What?
Finally, I don’t buy into the president’s trendy “post-American world” fantasies. We are growing; Europe, Japan, China, and Russia are aging and shrinking. Is there a Facebook sprouting in Istanbul? Does Mumbai give us Wal-Mart? Does the world flock to Shanghai to learn brain surgery?
I am not worried that China’s one rusty carrier will match the power of about one-third of our eleven carrier groups. Fat flabby Americans still produce per capita three times as many goods and services as do three Chinese.
I’ve seen European and Arab universities; believe me they are no Caltech or Stanford. I’ve been in three hospitals abroad; the one in tiny Selma is to them as heaven is to hell. In most places abroad, I would not drink the water. I like American doctors; they don’t smoke as they treat you and don’t roll you into Dante’s Inferno on a gurney to rot. I don’t think they pulled out my tonsils years ago only to make a buck. My local Doc does not wish to lop off my leg.
Our gas and oil reserves grow; China’s and Japan’s shrink. If I move to China, as a Scandinavian-looking white guy I will never be accepted as fully Chinese; if a Chinese moves here, he’s liable to run a company. Barack Obama and most of us would never make it as a president or prime minister in Japan or South Korea, or for that matter France.

It would be nice for once if one of the republican candidates wouldn't feel the need to be shy about America and who we are as a people, what we represent and what we have achieved. I am not looking for arrogance, but I am definitely tired of our politicians feeling apologetic about this country. Anyone can come here and upon becoming a citizen, they are Americans and they can build a life and succeed or fail through their own cleverness, genius and hard work. We are a unique country and it would be nice if our leaders actually showed that they liked this country they want to lead. Obama and his wife do not really like this country, it is apparent in the things they have said, and that is just another reason he doesn't deserve another term in office.

 

[elder999]

I bet Laura Bush/Hilary Clinton could beat them.

Well. they'd certainly beat them in absurdity. :lfao:

 

[granfire]

Well. they'd certainly beat them in absurdity. :lfao:

Shush.

But the Easter Bunny and Santa get the nod before 2 women would...

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Laura Bush....maybe.

Hillary Clinton? Sorry, I've got no use for that carpet bagger.

 

[Jenna]

You are correct, It was not and is not a normal target demographic for the GOP. Ron Paul attracted this following despite the GOP, not because of it. He is disliked by many in the GOP mainstream.

Thank you for explaining. Can I perhaps ask why you think these things are so?

Again as a casual observer, Ron Paul did not sound like any Republican I had heard previously. If it was ok to say, I have not heard that kind of radical position from any American politician as their official platform.

 

[elder999]

Thank you for explaining. Can I perhaps ask why you think these things are so?

Again as a casual observer, Ron Paul did not sound like any Republican I had heard previously. If it was ok to say, I have not heard that kind of radical position from any American politician as their official platform.

Ron Paul isn't really a "Republican." He's more of what's called a "Libertarian," which upholds individual liberty, free enterprise, and minimal government as core principles. As such, he's an isolationist-he'd end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as the greater war on terror unilaterally, and only use our armed forces for defense of the U.S., and he'd cut off all foreign aid, including to Israel. Support from the younger voters-with their current dissatisfaction with our "Hope&Change" government is almost understandable.

Of course, Ron Paul is largely unelectable, and may be a less-than closeted racist. He had a regular newsletter that had racist and anti-semitic content ascribed to him, which he has repeatedly disavowed and attributed to a ghost writer or staff member at the time. His 1987 book, "Freedom Under Seige," also contained some controversial statements that were borderline racist and bigoted. In it, he said things to the effect that people who are sexually harassed on the job should quit their jobs, and are to blame for continuing to receive such treatment, and shouldn't be protected by federal law.

You can see the entirety of the book here

And one of his more unfortunate appearances, from 2003, here:

It's a not-unpopular viewpoint on our Civil War, and a separate argument, but his making it onstage with Confederate flags is not very smart for a man who wants to become President. I don't think Ron Paul really wants or expects to become President-I think he just wants to keep getting his Libertarian ideas out there-he knows that he wouldn't be able to do half the things he'd like to, the good as well as the......well,crazy.

 

[elder999]

Rick Santorum:

One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.... Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay. It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." (Speaking with CaffeinatedThoughts.com, Oct. 18, 2011)

"In far too many families with young children, both parents are working, when, if they really took an honest look at the budget, they might find they don't both need to. ... What happened in America so that mothers and fathers who leave their children in the care of someone else — or worse yet, home alone after school between three and six in the afternoon — find themselves more affirmed by society? Here, we can thank the influence of radical feminism." (Santorum's 2005 book, It Takes a Family: Conservatism and the Common Good)

Would the potential attraction to Mormonism by simply having a Mormon in the White House threaten traditional Christianity by leading more Americans to a church that some Christians believe misleadingly calls itself Christian, is an active missionary church, and a dangerous cult?" (Santorum's Philadelphia Inquirer column, Dec. 20, 2007)

"Is anyone saying same-sex couples can't love each other? I love my children. I love my friends, my brother. Heck, I even love my mother-in-law. Should we call these relationships marriage, too?" (Santorum's Philadelphia Inquirer column, May 22, 2008)

"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does. ... That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing." (AP interview, April 7, 2003)

Guy's a little buggy, and homosexual obsessed, if not latent or deeply closeted himself......

 

[granfire]

Laura Bush....maybe.

Hillary Clinton? Sorry, I've got no use for that carpet bagger.

Oh get real, they made Biden VP...

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Oh get real, they made Biden VP...

I don't have much use for him either.

 

[granfire]

I don't have much use for him either.

Other than SNL, I don't think anybody has.....

 

[billc]

Well, Romney won the C.P.A.C poll which shows that perhaps there are more realists in the party than people think. I really think that the party will support whoever the candidate is because obama is seen as such a danger to our healthcare system and the national debt.

On healthcare and what is really going to happen...

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/11/obamacare-architect-expect-steep-increase-in-health-care-premiums/

Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist Jonathan Gruber, who also devised former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney’s statewide health care reforms, is backtracking on an analysis he provided the White House in support of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, informing officials in three states that the price of insurance premiums will dramatically increase under the reforms.

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[billc]

Here is a new video by one of my favorite video commentators, Bill Whittle:

Why it Sucks to be a conservative...

http://www.declarationentertainment.com/firewall-why-we-suck

Since this isn't from Breitbart I think just about everyone can watch this...

 

[Makalakumu]

Who are the Republicans?

Which candidates are like this?