Based on recent experience, I am inclined to make this request: Please DO NOT make this post "my style vs. your style", "TMA vs. MMA", etc.. Im not trying to be anal or controlling, but I really dont want this thread locked out. For the purposes of this post: 1; Self defense = Guy 1 becomes aggressive to Guy 2; i.e. (Gets him suddenly in a headlock before Guy 2 knows whats happening. Suddenly pins Guy 2 up against the wall. Grabs Guy 2's wrist/ arm in an attempt to move him into a corner, etc.) It's up to Guy 2 to figure out his way out of these spots. 2; Fighting = Both people know that a fight is on. Both people have had a second to square up and gain their composure. Theres a high possibility that number 1 will lead to number 2, so without those SD skills, you may never get to number 2. Theres also a possbility that number 1 will never happen (bar, English soccer game, chasing down a guy that almost runs over your family, etc.) and that only the skills from number 2 will be needed? This being said, Guy 2 would be better off spending more training time for number 2. For self defense purposes, which of the above do you think you should be better prepared for? Im not really a huge self defense nut and train more for fun, but was just pondering.