When recreational drugs are legal...

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  1. celtic_crippler

    celtic_crippler Senior Master

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    Sounds like you need a lobbyist. You're missing out on big time federal money. LOL
     
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    Nice for them....did they actually get it?

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    Thanks for confirming my suspicions that you don't actually read my posts. Go back and read post #100
     
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    Come on...as if you have been reading all of ours Lol!

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    jesus christ. is it any wonder the discussion goes nowhere?

    Fwiw, I've read every post so far.
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    It would actually be a state liquor authority officer. The ATF is a sledgehammer for a teen drinker fly.

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    When I'm checking in on my cell I'm not about to read every link posted as "evidence" and sometimes I'm simply responding to one post up instead of leafing through 5 missed pages on my phone during my coffee break. Sorry.

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    Makalakumu Gonzo Karate Apocalypse

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    Well look, it's essentially the same argument against public sector unions. People can vote themselves policies that benefit them at the cost of another group. Happens all of the time. I don't think the influence of this conflict of interest on ideology is something that can be overlooked.
     
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    I read yours. They're full of "I, I, I"... "Me, Me, Me"... and "My, My, My". All of your points are based on your limited personal views with no citations of sources other than your limited perspective and experience. I would love you to address my previous bullet points and actually cite a legitmate source for your data.
     
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    Not a judgement as much as it's an observation. If w are all"taLking" then no ones listening.

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    And you are comparing this to a discussion on a martial arts forum? Seriously?

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    And what percentage of the voting population do you think we LEO's take up? Do you seriosly think we are big enough to stop legalization if it was truly the will of the people?

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    FYI... this thread isn't about martial arts. Bob apparently assumed that martial artists were capable of and willing to discuss other things. Are you capable of replying to a post with anything other than the equivilant of "yo momma"? I only ask because such quips aren't conducive to moving the thread along in a productive manner.
     
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    What...you didn't read this? Lol!

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    A 40 billion dollar industry is nothing to sneeze at. I'm sure the economic ramifications spread it's wings over a large part of the public. Combine this with the prison industry which also hugely benefits from the drug war and now you have a legitimate special interest group.
     
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    Interesting…

    I went beyond the article you cited from a biased on-line newsletter and went directly to the source the article cited, the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

    According to it, marijuana use has increased by about 6,600 new users a day.

    That being said, their survey (which relies on the ones surveyed to be honest in their responses) only reflects 8.9% of the population. That’s a very small sample. But let’s take a look at what it actually reported anyway… shall we?

    It states that the number of illicit drug users age 12 and older actually increased from 2008 to 2010.

    It states that the number of marijuana users age 12 and older increased from 14.4 million in 2007 to 17.4 million in 2010.

    It states that the rate of current use of illicit drugs among young adults aged 18 to 25 increased from 19.6% in 2008 to 21.2% in 2009 and 21.5% in 2010.

    It states that among those aged 50 to 59, the rate of past month illicit drug use increased from 2.7% in 2002 to 5.8% in 2010.

    Um… how is this supposed to support your argument that the War on Drugs is actually working again?

    Would you care to address any of my bullet points now? ROFLMAO
     
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    Really? From the same source...

     
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    I posted a link to the actual report earlier as well.

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    Yeah... it's pretty bad when your source actually supports that of the opposing viewpoint. ROFLMAO :bangahead:
     
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    Your proud of that? That great logic well we have 6,600 new users a day so lets just make it all legal.
    If its so good "get a better lobbist" to fight to make it legal.
    How much higher will the numbers go if its no longer illegal?
    there are several factors which can lead to the rise in drug use. #1 the legalization of "medical" marijuana in many west coast states which has created a much greater availibility of the product. Most of the Marijuana we have now in this state is sent thru the mail, UPS, and FEX EX from the west coast. #2 the economy has gone down and unemployment has gone up and there is a feeling of "giving up" from the young adults that cant find work that also applies to the other age group of fired older workers 50+ that now cant find jobs. #3 since 2001 Law enforcement prioritys have shifted from Gang violence and Drug enforcemnt to terror operations. Most of our grant money come directly from Homeland Security and is to be used to combat terror. It useless crap that we dont need but we keep getting money for stuff. Every year we get free boats, Chemical suits, radiation detectors, cameras, ect and when I say free I of course mean the tax payers paid for it. Our "intellegence" unit is 3 times the size of our Narcotics unit and has the same amount of people as our violent crimestask force which I am now a member of. When I was in Narcotics our entire budget was from drug seizures we were the only revenue positive unit in the department. The federal drug asset seizure laws allow local departments so seize drug money and use it to fund other drug fighting programas. When we starting keeping track of amounts of money and assets seized my LT who just retired a few months ago had a total lifetime seizure from his cases of over 1.9 million when we figured it out he worked 18 years and before retirement and his adverage salary for his 18 years was $63,000 per year so he made the city money (now we didnt figure in benefits to the salary because basically we were to lazy and didnt care). So since 2001 not only has drug use gone up so has gang violence because its no longer the prority it once was.

    I just think its interesting if we used the same logic for other crimes people would be outraged but because people want to smoke pot they can twist the numbers however they want.
    Your upset that the drug use number are up yet at same time are upset that we have record high number of people in jail for drug crimes. Well if drug use is on the rise it would also show more people would be caught right? More users = higher jail numbers

    If we said Domestic assaults between spouces were up 20% over the last five year the War on domestic violence is a failure we need to just make it legal. After all its my wife why is it any of your concern if I want to smack her around a bit. She stays with me so she doesnt care. I only beat her at home so it does not bother anyone else and look at the super high numbers of guys in jail for beating his wife and they are still married so obviously the wives dont care so why should you. It was legal after all for years remember the "rule of thumb" Ive even got case law to back it up 1868 case, State v. Rhodes, where a husband was found innocent because, the judge said, "the defendent had a right to whip his wife with a switch no larger than his thumb,"
    Its the same argument different crime and it sounds insane123
     

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