What makes you a "true" martial artist?

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  1. wingchun100

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    Sadly, a lot of people follow him blindly because I have tried talking to some of the people that I thought were friends since I left that school, and all I get is the cold shoulder. They are blinded by devotion. Well, that and maybe they don't want to cheese off the guy they think is the only wing chun game in town. (Little do they know...he ISN'T.)
     
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    I wrote a public reply to him, asking why he could not have said all of that in private. Next thing you know, he deleted his comment. :)
     
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    Funny you should say that comment about their need rather than your own. That was clearly all he cared about: what HE wanted out of me to fit HIS agenda.
     
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    Don't sweat it. I got punched in the face multiple times and just recently kick in the balls for the sake of trying to learn Kung Fu. So if you have received punches, been bruised, injured, and hurt, because of your passion for martial arts then you are a true martial artist.

    Life gets in the way and that's common for Martial Artists. Part of what I'm about to say is probably me being angry about the groin kick and some other issues. But if you spar at your school. Punch them in the gut and let them suck on some air.
     
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    Thanks for pointing this out. This is definitely not a "Traditional Martial Arts" issue. I've seen things like this even in highschool sports . It's definitely an individual problem and people letting their ego take control.
     
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    Yeah if anything it is a coaching problem. I am lucky to have never had to deal with that before but I have seen it happen in many places, mostly football with dads being too pushy on their sons. Like seriously dude, your 5'2 90 something pound son doesn't want to play football and is obviously not cut out for it. It will honestly just embarrass him when he doesn't make the team.

    I get parents and coaches want their kids/students to do well and give it their all but sometimes **** happens.
     
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    This happened to me yesterday, I was being cocky with a white belt and didn't even have my hands up in a block/parry and counter attack drill. Now I know not to do that anymore :D
     
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    I fractured my toe on Monday night during two on one free sparring when my side kick was kicked in mid air by a turning kick. I still finished the round and did one more straight after, taught patterns and then went straight to the hospital after class.
     
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    Oh, that so hurts. Heal up well, bro.
     
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    Every time I hear of someone questioning whether or not someone is a true martial artist, it makes me think of the No True Scotsman fallacy.
     
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    Absolutely. Though even then, it's not productive to shame your students - if someone stops coming to class, a much better approach is to call or e-mail them to see what's going on. Maybe they've been sick, or had a family emergency and had to travel suddenly, and will feel touched that you reached out to them. Or in this case, it's a money issue. Maybe the instructor can offer the person a reduced rate for a few months. Any of these things could lead to the person returning to the school once their situation improves, but if you shame them, they probably will quit for real and never come back.
     
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    Ouch.. take care of that toe. I wish you a fast recovery,
     
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    What is a "true" Martial Artist? Whenever someone brings this kind of thing up I'm always reminded of the definition of Kung Fu. Contrary to popular belief, Kung Fu is not the name of a Chinese Martial Art, but instead simply means "skill developed through hard work". A lot of people get too hung up on the end result of their training, instead of just enjoying the training and doing it regularly. To me, a "true" Martial Artist is a person that trains regularly and consistently, even if it is just once a week, regardless of what they are training for. An MMA fighter who trains every day is just as true a Martial Artist as someone who trains every day for a wushu or forms competition. In my opinion, as long as you are training regularly to develop your skills you are a true Martial Artist.
     
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    I think you answered your own question. Desire, discipline and dedication. Never give up.
     
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    And that is exactly what I did. I have not set foot in that school since. He had a video of me doing chi sao with him on his YouTube channel. I was so incensed that I told him via a certified letter that he had no right to use my image in any way that helped promote his school, so he was to take that video down or I would pursue legal action. He took it down...for a few days, until he thought I would not check anymore. Then he put it back up. Instead of going to a lawyer, I reported it to YouTube themselves, and THEY took it down.
     
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    In English, anyway, there's the word 'artist' in the word, which makes my analogy here—
    If you have art as a hobby, others consider you to be extremely good at it, yet you do not have it as a profession, are you not an artist?
    Yes, you are, you just wouldn't address yourself one.

    Add 'martial' in front of every 'art,' and that's my point.
     
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    That provoked a question in my mind, can a beginner in any art call himself Artist and more importantly in Martial Art, when (at what stage/belt etc) a beginner can claim to be Martial Artist?
     
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    This is why blanket terms are so annoying, as in order to answer them we have to first define what an "artist" is. According to the Oxford dictionary an Artist is someone who practices or performs one of the creative arts. The creative arts are anything involving the creation of something using ones imagination. According to these descriptions anyone can be an artist, from the youngest baby drawing their first stick figure to the most accomplished professional artist. The actual ability of the individual doesn't define who is or isn't an artist. Similarly, a Martial Artist is anyone who practices a Martial Art, from the white belt on their first lesson right up to a Grand Master. We are all Martial Artists regardless of our ability.
     
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    I don't think there's any real limitation on it. I wouldn't call someone a "martial artist" until they've been around a month or more - you know, that point at which you figure they're probably serious enough to stay a while.
     
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    If you live in Japan? You train all day and every day if possible. No different to sports and other activities that require peak performance, stamina etc. etc. The spirit? Maybe somebody reads too many books. You have to put that in there yourself. As for fighting, "fighters" are chosen when members are still kids and trained to bring that out. If your not a born fighter you never will be good. As for money my teachers never charged me and I try to continue with that. I have always been in M.A. to teach, win and self improvement and even gave up my regular life to do it full time.123
     

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