What is MMA?

Discussion in 'MMA' started by Flying Crane, Mar 15, 2006.

  1. Kensai

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    Whilst I think the underlying principal of MMA is a great idea, and one worthy of the future, I don't think that this statement is 100% accurate. Rule bound fights give you the opportunity to analyse rule bound fights, and act as a test bed to a certain degree.

    However, that aside, I like the underlying principle of MMA, even though I don't study it. There is validity in most arts to a greater or lesser extent, but I also think that most have them changed in some way, either being affected by politics in China, or turned into point scoring sports as in certain karate styles.

    I think that there is still a great deal of ignorance of other styles in most arts, regardless of background, and I'm sure that the more TMA often look down on MMA, I don't subscribe to that, it does nark me a little bit when some MMA guys think that the only way to do MA, or test moves is by having 2 200lb professional athletes smacking lumps out of each other, and that everyone else is a pansy for not doing it. Both views are equally misguided. IMHO.
     
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    This all sounds like JKD to me ...
     
  3. Marvin

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    In theory yes, but sometimes indviduals will forsake functionality for aesthetic.
     
  4. Odin

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    MMA is simple the evolution of all martial Arts.
    Its th sharing of knowlege and practical apllication carried over from all martial arts and put together into a style with no stlye comabt.
     
  5. kingkong89

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    anyone who is considered a mix martial artist is simply one who studies more than one art. when they go to compotition they dont have to say there study is MMA they could list there best study if they wanted to hope it was helpfull
     
  6. kaliador

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    MMA is crappy selfdefence. They spend 95 % of the time on the ground, and that is not smart i selfdefence. What about the dud`s friend standing around?

    MMA is spesialiced as a SPORT, nothing more and nothing less...
     
  7. Andrew Green

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    lol - Yup, 95% on the ground. I take it you are quite the fan to hit that statistic?:banghead:
     
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    Hi Kaliador, welcome to the forums!
     
  9. zDom

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    "Fine, I'll get my own lunar lander...with blackjack...and hookers! In fact, forget the lunar lander and the blackjack!" --- Bender the Robot.


    True, but:

    Scientists today still go through grade school, high school, college. You can't get much advanced science done if each scientist has to discover gravity and basic math by themselves.

    What is so wrong with a curriculum that gives you a solid base --- and THEN you move on to advanced science, i.e., finding out what works best for the individual?

    To me, it sounds like you advocate reducing all grade school down to, for example,

    "2+2 = 4.

    and 2 x 2 = 4

    Blue + Yellow = green.

    The United States is on the continent of North America

    ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP (the rest of the letters just really aren't all that effective so just stick with these)"

    OK: now lets get to work on that cure of cancer!


    You say "no list of techniques, no terms to remember" and then turn around and -- four posts later! list basics YOU think are important along with terms people must know:


    I agree "hard work, sweat" are critical elements, but MMA practitioners aren't the only ones out there putting in "hard work, sweat."

    I guess my point is: can't you define MMA without pointing your finger at TMA and saying "We are better than THOSE guys!"?
     
  10. Rook

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    What he means is that all technique names are in English in American schools or in the native language of whatever country. Few people bother with the Portuguese or japanese names of techniques. You don't have to memorize the cultural names of techniques.

    We end up having to repeatedly explain MMA in contrast to TMA because people keep trying to blur the lines between the two in the hopes that no one will question what they are doing.
     
  11. Eternal Beginner

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    This is a wee bit off topic, but to address terminology issues I don't know if it is necessarily a bad thing to have like-minded people who are doing like-minded activities having a common vocabulary, be it Japanese, Portuguese or English. They do it in music (Italian), they do it in ballet (french), and in medicine to a certain extent with latin.

    What I have seen happening is all of these guys doing the same thing and giving them bizarre names so nobody is quite sure what they are talking about without pictures. Makes sharing and discussing things difficult and wastes a lot of time when you could just say "you know manouver A" and then move onto to actual progress.

    Again, not a fundamental issue in the "rightness" or "wrongness" of TMA or MMA...just an observation.
     
  12. zDom

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    I think both sides of this "TMA/MMA" line (including me, at times) are doing WAY too much generalization.

    For example, 98 percent of all the terminology I have been taught in both TKD and HKD has all been in English!

    There are a couple of sets of techniques in HKD that I must also know the Korean names for ALSO (we usually refer to them with their English names) -- but this is extremely useful knowledge when communicating with students from other hapkido organizations.

    And on the MMA side of things, I see a lot of differences in opinion among MMA stylists on what constitutes "MMA."

    You can be sure that as more and more MMA gyms are established and the number of people making money of MMA begins to grow, so will the differences between MMA gyms.
     
  13. Eternal Beginner

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    You have that right!! I know guys who train and fight MMA who scoff at so-called "MMA gyms" in our city. Are they right? Who is to say. The whole concept of MMA is flexible and usually the people who argue the loudest for what it is are just trying to convince people to accept their definition of what MMA is.

    There is no universal truth as to the definition of MMA.
     
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    I agree. the original basis of mma competition was directly to put style against style and see who comes out on top. any one who tries to put a direct style on mma is out of thier mind. and in basis there is no style of mma. the closest "style" of any mma is the original principles of jkd. but now that has even been catagorized as a style which is totaly wrong. true mma or jkd art was ment for adaptation to all fighting methods what style came through was one made by your own mind and body or better put as your own original way of fighting which everyone has. the key point is everyone is diffrent and has a diffrent way of doing anything. immitation is the lowest form of self worth. if you are to busy mimicing someone like bruce lee or ken shamrock for example you are not finding your self in martial arts. and thats the most important goal.
     
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    you have thoroughly convinced me. won my vote. i feel like i've just been converted... :) MMA it is. i really should find a community of people who are mma, because from what you're saying, i take it that many people are closet mma. - i trained with mma people in japan for a while. i think it is practically therapeutic to just go at it from time to time. after all, one truly should practice to defending and attacking movements from any position.


    not to do harm or even concentrate on 'fighting' or competition, but to experience different realistic situations in the science of martial arts.

    actually i do know of a group of freefighters...i will have to go check it out sometime soon.



    j
     
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    kaizasosei Master Black Belt

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    well, sortof lame replying to one of my own old posts....but i would like to share my experiences with mma. like i said i would, i'm sortof in the process of joining up this place that trains mma with a most excellent trainer and master of life, in my opinion. There are other diciplines also trained there like traditional kickboxing, krav maga, boxing and bjj.

    ok, here's the deal, i came to this place for a couple of reasons; one being that i wanted to test my skills and techniques on tough fighters. another is that i want to see what other people can do and seek challenges. thirdly, i was hoping it would give me the inspiration to rebuild my weak muscles and skinny shape into something a bit more solid-not to mention flexible and allround good shape.
    fourth reason would be to heal my hurt soul from all the psychoterror of those martists that dont even spar OR have the sense to be kind and fair to one other. ****, there was one more reason i thought of but im drinking this really raunchy protein shake right now which caused me to forget.

    ok, but the point is, i realize that this type of sparing is totally different that other martial arts.- sure, there are people from various backgrounds, for example my sparring partner from today was from the national team judo blackbelt. others i believe have other backgrounds, like boxing or some not martial, like weightlifting. whatever, what im trying to get at is that when we go at it and spar-without striking- only submissionwrestling and takedowns, then everyone is sortof the same. it's something natural in a way. the techniques of mma are very direct and powerful, allowing little room for error. - although i have been in many martial arts settings, never have i encountered such realistic and challenging sparing. i have the feeling, that many of my best grappling moves do not work so well against a ready and powerful opponent.
    there are some other issues too, that technique must be executed swiftly and at the right time in the right spirit...but still, i know what im talking about, physical strength and the sheer willpower involved in some of the techniques im talking about, play a big role.

    the reason i chose freefight, and i think i remember now my other point, is that one is relatively free. with, grappling only, this is not so, so i do believe that the inclusion of striking would give me much more of an edge, however, that's always risky and the grappling alone can be fairly dangerous.

    but do you get what im getting at, all my volumes of aiki techniques, chin na- seemed very ineffective against really sweaty and alert opponents. not saying that the moves dont work, -but im thinking it's the same conclusion i came to after wrestling with a wrestler,- what Ueshibasensei said, 'atemi(striking) should account for 70% of aikido'

    arm strength is also definately a factor. because of the tension, hyperalertness and brute strength, many techniques are quite difficult if not impossible to execute. perhaps, with more setups etc, im sure there are ways,,but these are forces to be reckoned with.

    one move i found to be quite excellent and should be included in mma, is the bujinkan move called ransetsu- i first attempted to head straight to mount but was once overturned by more powerful partner, so i decided to followup with an anklelock- and it works. checkit out if you're interested.

    j
     
  17. kaizasosei

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  18. kailat

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    this is fun. Because way back in the 80's when I started the term Mixed Martial Arts was used but it was a term that generally lumped many different arts together rather than a particular TMA.

    Today the term MMA is made up of merely;
    1. Stand up
    a) Boxing -Western- Brawling- NHB
    b) Kickboxing- Traditional-San Sau-Muay Thai (concepts)
    2. Grappling-Ground Fighting
    a) BJJ
    b) Wrestling-Catch as Catch can- Greco/Roman style
    c) Ground and Pound

    " to me that pretty much makes up the sport side of MMA that most of the general public would define as MMA"

    To refine what I was saying earlier when I was a young Karate-ka the term Mix Martial Arts that we had in our school was made up of;

    A) American Karate-Do
    B) Chung Do Kwan TKD
    C) Filipino Kali-Eskrima-Arnis
    D) Silat from Malaysia and Indonesia
    E) French Savate
    F) Kickboxing Muay Thai and Karate style
    G) Jeet Kune Do Concepts/ Jun Fan Gung Fu

    All these were the make up of my first original Karate school. Which was actually called Armstrongs Mixed Martial Arts-Self Defense Dojo.

    It actually taught all these systems seperate and combined as one. We had different classes that seperated them. It was 1985 and that term MMA was tossed around.. But if you were asked then and showed what MMA was gonna turn into today we would of all been in awe probably..

    LOL
     
  19. Indie12

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    Pretty much sums it up!!! MMA is pure Sport, nothing more, nothing less!!!
     
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    Quiet a list of systems in your school, are you an instructor for all of them or did you have other instructors of certain systems teach there also?

    BTW: good assessment of MMA, sport!
     

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