What forms do you have?

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  1. HKphooey

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    If you practice Tracy Kenpo at your school, what forms make up your cirriculum?
     
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    I don't practice them all anymore, but here is what I learned, up to first black:

    Short 1, 2 and 3
    Long 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5
    Mass Attack
    Tiger and Crane
    part of the Two Man Set
    Staff Set 1 and 2
    Finger Set

    I think that's it...
     
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    I have a question on the two man set, is that an EPAK set or a Tracy set? I just learned that set and the Parry set so i am just wondering.
     
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    I believe it was one of the first sets Mr. Parker was working with, and the Tracys were still with him at this time. I don't know if EPAK still keeps it, but Tracys does.
     
  5. IWishToLearn

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    Anyone know which Staff Set is the one developed by Chuck Sullivan and is there anywhere I can see both of them for comparison?
     
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    I believe what is referred to as Staff Set 1 is what was developed by Mr. Sullivan, altho I think he may have borrowed it from another source, and Mr. Parker made some more changes to it... It uses primarily a middle grip, utilizing both ends of the staff.

    Staff Set 2 is done more like a spear. The staff is held at the end, and the long range is used in primarily thrusting and "slashing" movements.

    I believe there is a Staff Set 3, as well as Spear Sets, which I have not seen.
     
  7. HKphooey

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    One of the versions I learned had a "pole-vault" style side kick in it.
     
  8. Flying Crane

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    I could see where that is. We just planted the staff and threw the side kick keeping one foot on the ground. But I could see doing it "pole-vault" style for extra flair in competition, or something.
     
  9. HKphooey

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    Yeah that was back in the day when my mind was elsewhere and my body could do it! :)

    I noticed the same things on the karate connection website.

    http://www.karateconnection.com/video_kenpostaffset.htm
     
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    SGM Sullivan learned the original staff set from Mr. Parker, and cut it down by more than 50% eliminating weaker and repetitious movements, and demonstrated it to SGM Parker. SGM Parker approved and sanctioned the cut down version as the official Kenpo Staff Set for the IKKA.
     
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    1. Kipon #1
    2. Short #1 (Four Shields)
    3. Kipon #2
    4. Kipon #3
    5. Long #1 (Shield and Mace)
    6. Short #2 (Cat Set)
    7. Kipon #4
    8. Long #2 (Continuous Set
    9. Short #3 (Single Escape Set)
    10. Kipon #5
    11. Long #3 (Double Escape Set)
    12. Panther Set (Book Set)
    13. Pinan #1
    14. Long #4 (Definitive Set)
    15. Pinan #2
    16. Darkroom Staff (#1 Staff)
    17. Mass Attack (A & B)
    18. Tiger & Crane
    19. Pinan #3
    20. Pinan #4
    21. Skylight Staff (#2 Staff Set)
    22. Long #5 (Transition Set)
    23. Pinan #5
    24. Skylight Spear
    25. Little Tiger
    26. Long #6 (Weapon Set)
    27. Tensho
    28. Sanchin
    29. Two Person Set
    30. Long #3 Staff
    31. Japanese Sword Set #1
    32. Long #7 (The Continuing Set)
    33. Tai Chi (Yang Style Short Form)
    34. Earth & Sky
    35. Finger Set
    36. Moving Finger Set
    37. 8 Point Spear
    38. Basic Butterfly
    39. Tam Tui (Springing Thigh Set)
    40. Wong's Shaolin Hand Set
    41. Iron Butterfly
    42. Circular Spear
    43. Long #8 (The Twin Set)
    44. Chinese Saber
    45. 18 Section Punching Set
    46. Chinese Set
    47. Chinese Spear
     
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    Wow, Dave

    Is all this considered part of Tracys? I see some things that were definitely imported, the Pinans and Sanchin and stuff that I don't recall seeing listed on Tracys website. The CHinese stuff I have seen listed there, but not the Japanese stuff. And what are the Kippons?

    How do you keep up with all these?
     
  14. KenpoDave

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    Quite a bit is imported. The kipons and pinans were taught to me by Kyoshi Roger Greene, who holds a 9th dan in Tracy's, a 9th in TKD, and an 8th under Joe Lewis. Tensho and Sanchin are from my goju days.

    The only way to keep up with them is to teach them. They are in my curriculum primarily because I like them and did not want to lose them. By making them available, and even requiring some of them, then I am forced to keep up with the material.
     
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    Pinan 1-5
    Bassai Dai
    Naihanchi Shodan
    Rohai
    Saifa
    Hangetsu
     
  16. KenpoDave

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    Saifa was a favorite of mine. Unfortunately, it is one that I don't remember well anymore.
     
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    Oh ho! well, if we are listing everything that we do, in addition to Tracys, then here goes...

    Lok Lik Kuen (six power fist, in 5 variations, Tibetan White Crane)
    Chut Yap Bo Kuen (in and out/back and forth fist, Tibetan White Crane)
    Dae Sat kuen (ground spirit fist, Tibetan White Crane)
    Chut Yap Bo and Dae Sat together as one long set (origninal version)
    Bak Hok kuen (white crane fist, Tibetan White Crane)
    Fay Hok Dan Dao (flying crane broadsword,Tibetan White Crane)
    Dripping Water Staff (Tibetan White Crane)
    Lok Hop Kuen (Shaolin family of arts, I think...)
    Fu Hok (Tiger and Crane, Hung Gar style, Kwok Wing Lam lineage)
    Lohan #1 (shaolin)
    Lohan #3 (Shaolin)
    lien bo (shaolin)
    Raise Blocking Spear (shaolin)
    Two-Handed sword (preying mantis)
    Guan Bo Tai Chi
    Yang Style tai chi 10 posture form
    Sun Style tai chi, long form
    Chen Style tai chi, 12 posture form
    Chen Style tai chi, 24 posture form
    Chen Style tai chi 38 posture form
    Chen Style tai chi two man form
    Chen Style tai chi San Shou Pou Choi (old style Chen)
    Chen Style tai chi, Eight Powers sword
    Chen Style tai chi, Broadsword
    Yang Style tai chi 16 posture sword
    Yang Style tai chi, 18 posture sword
    Yang Style tai chi, 24 posture sword (two variations)
    Yang Style tai chi, 8 basic "mini" forms, sword
    Liang Yi, Fu Style tai chi, bagua, xing-i "fusion"
    Li Zhi Ming Bagua, 8 linking palms
    Siu Num Tao "Little Idea", Wing Chun set #1
    Chom Kiu "Bridging", Wing Chun set #2
    Bil Gee "thrusting finger", Wing Chun set #3

    I had also learned some stuff from the "Shao-Lin Do" system, headed by Sin The, headquartered in Lexington, KY. It was taught to me very quickly, and I think I did not learn it very well. I have doubts about it's quality as a system, and given that I don't feel I learned it well, I have let it all drift away. There was a pile of stuff in here as well, tho.
     
  18. KenpoDave

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    Well, the question was..."If you practice Tracy Kenpo at your school, what forms make up your curriculum?"

    So I listed the whole thing. Not all of my curriculum is Tracy's Kenpo, but it supplements it nicely.

    Were you in Lexington? I am very familiar with Sin The' and his system. For most of my childhood, people did not say, "I take karate." They said, "I take Sin The'." Took some lessons from Bill Leonard, Eric Smith, and a couple of classes from Hiang The'.
     
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    While I am not a Tracy's practitioner, I did start out leanirg from one of Jay T. Will's Black Belts. I also lived outside of Lexington for seven years. I hadn't heard the name of Sin The brought up in years. Considering his reputation in teh Lexington/Central Kentucky Martial Arts Community, I would be very surprised if Mr. Tracy had any dealings with him, other than being cordial if they met.

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