Family related techniques in tracy kenpo

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  1. MJS

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    Good points. I've noticed similarities as well, even in Arnis. 1 thing may be found in a variety of drills, techs, etc.

    Agreed. I recall a youtube clip from James Hawkins. On it, he shows a bunch of different ways the Parker tech. Delayed Sword, is done. They were pretty much the same, with some slight differences. :)
     
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    It was mentioned briefly in the beginning. Then again, I've always been of the mind, that if you're going to put yourself out there, expect to be questioned. Anytime I step on the mat to teach, I anticipate the chance that I'll be questioned. If you put something out there, it should be a no-brainer that it'll be questioned. Of course, when I'm asked a question, I answer it, and if I can't answer it, I always do my best to find an answer. Its when you're asked a question, and you avoid it, well...that makes people continue to ask questions. Why beat around the bush? Just answer the question. :D
     
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    To the best of my knowledge, the "family groupings" are not highlighted in Tracy's Kenpo, at least not in a codified way. A number of years ago, I sat down and started writing out lists of techniques that were similar, but very quickly abandoned the quest because there were too many variables of similarity. I started by grouping the initial movement, then by initial combination(where applicable). I then went went to grouping by the initial counterattaack, then by full counterattack. Then I started grouping by combination patterns, even if the strikes were different (i.e. Crossing Hammers and Flashing Daggers).

    What I do now is focus on similarities in the individual private lessons based on what is being taught at the time.

    I am anxious to hear Joe's comments on the groupings. Your experience in a system that codifies these things would give you a different perspective.

    If you look at the Tracy's form #8, the Twin Set, Mr. Tracy has put together techniques that are similar (you do one technique strong side, followed by a "twin" weak side) but even in the form, the groupings are inconsistent (some are grouped by block (Darkness/Brushing Wind) and others by overall pattern (Crossing Hammers/Flashing Daggers).
     
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    So, is this thread dead? Joe, just wondering if you were coming back to comment further on your findings.
     
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    I can't say I am suprised.
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    True. Of course, what amazes me, is when I see people who get so upset by what someone says on a forum. I have to ask myself...what do these people do in real life?
     
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    Yes, and Simitar finishes striking with a leading backfist, whereas Slicing Dragon extends the finishing combination by adding the rear elbow and repeating, introducing the chinese swings.

    The "Guarding the Wall" group is one of my favorites lately.
     
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    Hi folks!
    Sorry for not getting back to you folks,been busy getting my students ready for the Las Vegas ICMAC worldwide circuit Tournament! Brought 2 students and came home w/6 medals! Great event for Chinese martial arts and one of the few CMA events that has kenpo divisions as well!

    I keep busy most times teaching MA full time as well as other MA related ventures. S, i'm not always responding o the boards. Just keeping busy!

    I'll add more similarities in the near future and respond to various posts as well!

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    Hi folks!
    Thank you Dave for your input!
    I knew that you might be one of the people that who explore he Tracy system in that capacity and the diverse approaches you took to catalog and categorize the various techniques.
    I'll be getting back to this thread but i've been busy w/ various martial arts events that I'm either attending,judging,and or teaching a this and next month!
    It's been hectic but fun!
    Be Back Soon!
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    Hi folks!
    Dear Crane,
    I'll look into those techniques and respond to you!
    Just got real busy toward the end of august into September and haven't been able to revisit this board!
    Respond to you soon!
    Thx for your insights!
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    I was playing around the other night with one of my black belts following some techniques that are similar in concept to Flashing Daggers.

    We worked Flashing Daggers, Crossing Hammers, Cobra and the Mongoose, and ended up with Sickle, which I had not thought of before because the first strike is low.
     
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    Hey Joe, (where ya goin with that..oh nevermind...)
    Years ago, I was searching for key moves in kenpo trying to perhaps get an insight as to where Chow was coming from, and (this is from memory) I found several families or groupings;
    1) inner block response-crashing elbows, scimitar, etc
    2)windmill guard
    3)techniques with rising elbow into downward palm/claw, rip into soft bow hammerfist, back kick. Or variations such as crash of the eagle
    4)simultaneous palm block (downward or inward)and snap kick
    5)brush blocks
    6) single hand flowing combinations-from lever, circles of glass,etc
    7) empty hand techniques that translate to blade work-5/7 swords-very similar to Sayoc Kali knife templates, might be a FMA influence
    8) jiu-jutsu type defenses from grabs and holds-probably Mitose influence
    9) spinning and pivoting movements-dancer
    10) ground stomping-dance of death, etc
    I'm sure there are more, if I sit down and think about it, but these are just off the top of my head.
     

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