Martin and Kay are indeed 2 superstars imo. I have read Jordan up to the 9th book I think. Then I decided to not read any of his work until the series is complete. If that ever happens in my lifetime of course. It certainly didn't happen in his lifetime. Imo the series is fin up until the 4th or 5th volume. From then on he introduces so many additional plots and sub plots, not to mention hundreds of additional characters, none of which contribute anything to the main story line. It's his own damn fault for letting the whole thing unravel so much. His books also have the problem that you need to re-read the previous ones in order to be able to follow the plot, and given the long times between books, this was problematic. The last straw was the last book I read, in which hundreds of pages were wasted on minor plot lines, and then a major event like the cleansing of the taint was compressed to a handful of pages. At that point I decided to completely ignore the series until such time as the final chapter has been written and published.