What arts are competitive?

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  1. skribs

    skribs Master Black Belt

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    I'm not talking about competitive with each other, but rather - what are the competitive arts? Or is there a comprehensive enough list out there somewhere. Specifically I'm looking at arts that have competitive sparring or fighting (i.e. not forms) that is run by a large organization. I know most arts have sparring, but how many have competitive sparring with a unified rule set across a large number of schools?

    Preferably broken down into KO/TKO/Submission vs. point-based systems.

    What I know is:

    KO/TKO/Submission:
    Wrestling
    Judo
    MMA
    Boxing/Kickboxing/Muay Thai

    Points:
    Taekwondo

    I'm sure there are many more than this, which is why I'm asking. The reason I want to know is for research purposes for a project I'm working on.
     
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    Dirty Dog MT Senior Moderator Staff Member

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    To start with, through out these two lists. All of the arts you've listed have bouts that are won in all of the ways you have listed.

    Maybe you can tell us something about the project?

    Frankly, given the wide variety of rulesets used just within the various TKD orgs, I don't think it's going to be possible to define competitive events in the way you seem to be attempting.
     
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    You can make everything to be competitive. It depends on what rule that you want to play. For example, you can have competition for whoever gets

    - head lock,
    - under hook,
    - over hook,
    - waist wrap,
    - throat hold,
    - ...

    he wins that round and any 2 rounds out of 3 will be the winner.
     
  4. skribs

    skribs Master Black Belt

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    Dirty Dog, the project is to design a combat sport for superhumans in a sci-fi setting :p

    I'm mainly looking at the widely accepted competition styles. i.e. for TKD, WTF Olympic sparring rules are primarily point-based, whereas if a KO happens, it happens (to my understanding). Whereas in the UFC, your goal is KO/TKO or tapout, but they have a point system just in case that doesn't happen. So I'm largely looking at the spirit of the sport. Is your strategy to get points and win by decision, or is it to have the ref stop the fight and immediately declare you the victor?

    Kung Fu Wang, like I said - I'm more looking at something where you could train at your school to go to a national/international competition. Not just set up a game in your school to declare the winner.
     
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    And you are keeping it to fighting competition rather than things like kata?
     
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    Be a big list.

    Off the top of my head.

    Subs tko

    Jujitsu
    Sumo
    Sanda
    Sambo
    Pancrace
    Tai chi
    Kudo
    Kyokashin
    Savate


    Points
    Capoeira
    Fencing
    Hema
     
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    oaktree Master of Arts

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    I did not know Taijiquan and Kyudo had Submissions and TKO when they compete.
     
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    Correct, only sparring/fighting.

    Specifically non-weapons, also (which wasn't mentioned in my OP).
     
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    All arts are competitive, not all arts nor masters compete.
     
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    skribs Master Black Belt

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    Brendon, I think I addressed that in my OP, it's not about comparing one art to another, but rather which arts have fighting competitions. i.e., which arts could you say "So-and-so is the best fighter in the country/world under this art's rules" because that art has a set of standardized national or international sparring/fighting rules and an organization at the national or international level (or that has their own sport on TV) that holds tournament/competition/etc for the sake of determining #1. In the case of Judo, TKD, and wrestling, you have the olympics. In the case of MMA and boxing, you have television. That's what I'm looking for.
     
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    No they're not.

    Nothing I do is competitive, and they are very "martial" arts… in fact, only one thing I currently do has a competitive form (that I don't do).
     
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    Many, many have a sport aspect.

    Wrestling has several sub-sets, as well, with different rules. Catch wrestling, Folk Wrestling, Freestyle, Greco-Roman, Submission Wrestling (such as ADCC) etc.

    I'd also be reluctant to combine Western Boxing, Kickboxing (which has subsets) and Muay Thai. They're all very different. You can also add Sanda or San Shou.

    BJJ and Sambo should be included with Judo.

    Here's a pretty good list on Wikipedia: Combat sport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    While it might be debatable whether there is SOME kind of competition within every martial art, it's pretty clear that there are many martial arts which do not meet the criteria of the OP: competitive sparring within a unified rule set.
     
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    I think I may have asked slightly the wrong question in the OP. I'm mainly trying to focus on those that are point-based. And, as I mentioned, I understand most have a point system in case there is no submission or KO in the allotted time, but I'm mostly interested in those where the point system is the primary method of winning and where the individual strategy comes into play.
     
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    If you're not in too much of a rush - Google all the arts under competitions or something to that effect. And all the various organizations in each art. Send each of them a nice letter saying you want to compete - or better yet, say there's a group of you that want to compete. Ask them to put your name and address on their mailing list. In a years time you'll be able to paper your walls with tournament flyers. You might have to move. :)
     
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